Kalkwasser

[Patrick]

Happy New Year,

Does anyone have a preferred kalkwasser mix (for those that use one). I'm
currently using Kent Marine, but I've noticed a lot more precipitate in the
mix lately, using the same proportions of water / powder. Anyone have any
experience with any other brands?

Thanks - Patrick

[KurtG[_3_]]

Patrick wrote:
> Does anyone have a preferred kalkwasser mix (for those that use one).


http://mrswages.stores.yahoo.net/mrswagpiclim.html

Not only is it dirt cheap, but it doesn't leave a yellow residue behind
and it appears to last longer (no evidence, just subjective). I go for
months between washing out my containers.

I've also seen it at wal-mart in the fall, but at this time of year, you
may need to order it.

--Kurt

[Wayne Sallee]

And you are using RO water, and not aerating the
lime water, right?

I found a really good source directly from a
manufacture here in Florida. I used to sell it in
the store. Just for the fun of it, I sold it real
cheap. I sold it for a $1.00 a bag. Then when people
would see it and ask what it was, I'd say "It's a
dollar bag". :-)

Hmm, maybe I should start buying it again, and
auction it off on ebay. :-)

Wayne Sallee



Patrick wrote on 1/2/2008 8:47 AM:
> Happy New Year,
>
> Does anyone have a preferred kalkwasser mix (for those that use one).
> I'm currently using Kent Marine, but I've noticed a lot more precipitate
> in the mix lately, using the same proportions of water / powder. Anyone
> have any experience with any other brands?
>
> Thanks - Patrick

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 2, 8:11*am, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
> And you are using RO water, and not aerating the
> lime water, right?
>
> I found a really good source directly from a
> manufacture here in Florida. I used to sell it in
> the store. Just for the fun of it, I sold it real
> cheap. I sold it for a $1.00 a bag. Then when people
> would see it and ask what it was, I'd say "It's a
> dollar bag". :-)
>
> Hmm, maybe I should start buying it again, and
> auction it off on ebay. :-)
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
> Patrick wrote on 1/2/2008 8:47 AM:
>
>
>
> > Happy New Year,
>
> > Does anyone have a preferred kalkwasser mix (for those that use one).
> > I'm currently using Kent Marine, but I've noticed a lot more precipitate
> > in the mix lately, using the same proportions of water / powder. Anyone
> > have any experience with any other brands?
>
> > Thanks - Patrick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yea wayne bags it and sells it, but he could not even make a living as
a shop owner, Guess there is not much of a market for dead pets huh?
Wayne needs to stick to doing what he knows best.sucking cocks!

[Patrick]

Thanks Kurt, I never tried using the pickling lime before. I've read about
others' good results with it, but never tried it myself, I'll give it a
shot.

Patrick



"KurtG" > wrote in message
. ..
> Patrick wrote:
>> Does anyone have a preferred kalkwasser mix (for those that use one).
>
>
> http://mrswages.stores.yahoo.net/mrswagpiclim.html
>
> Not only is it dirt cheap, but it doesn't leave a yellow residue behind
> and it appears to last longer (no evidence, just subjective). I go for
> months between washing out my containers.
>
> I've also seen it at wal-mart in the fall, but at this time of year, you
> may need to order it.
>
> --Kurt
>

[KurtG[_3_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> I'd say "It's a dollar bag". :-)

If somebody snorted it, it would be their own damn fault. (Ouch!)

[Patrick]

Thanks Wayne, I'm not mixing anything different lately (same kind of water,
etc) and do not aerate it, it just sits in a closed pitcher until ready to
be dripped. For some reason it's not mixing like it used to though. Is it
possible that I have a "bad batch" of the powder (it is a new container of
mix) or that if the water is not kept at the usual temp could that effect
it? During the warmer months (I'm in NJ) I just let it sit on the kitchen
counter (ambient room temp around 75, in the winter ambient room temp is
around 70).

Patrick





"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> And you are using RO water, and not aerating the lime water, right?
>
> I found a really good source directly from a manufacture here in Florida.
> I used to sell it in the store. Just for the fun of it, I sold it real
> cheap. I sold it for a $1.00 a bag. Then when people would see it and ask
> what it was, I'd say "It's a dollar bag". :-)
>
> Hmm, maybe I should start buying it again, and auction it off on ebay. :-)
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
>
> Patrick wrote on 1/2/2008 8:47 AM:
>> Happy New Year,
>>
>> Does anyone have a preferred kalkwasser mix (for those that use one). I'm
>> currently using Kent Marine, but I've noticed a lot more precipitate in
>> the mix lately, using the same proportions of water / powder. Anyone have
>> any experience with any other brands?
>>
>> Thanks - Patrick

[Wayne Sallee]

You say that you are using the same water, but if
you are using tap water, that changes.

Dry calcium hydroxide will loose it's strength by
absorbing CO2. It's best for long time storage, that
you store it in an air tight container. A bag is
fine for short term storage. If storing in a bag,
double bagging and triple bagging helps.

Wayne Sallee



Patrick wrote on 1/2/2008 9:38 AM:
> Thanks Wayne, I'm not mixing anything different lately (same kind of
> water, etc) and do not aerate it, it just sits in a closed pitcher until
> ready to be dripped. For some reason it's not mixing like it used to
> though. Is it possible that I have a "bad batch" of the powder (it is a
> new container of mix) or that if the water is not kept at the usual temp
> could that effect it? During the warmer months (I'm in NJ) I just let it
> sit on the kitchen counter (ambient room temp around 75, in the winter
> ambient room temp is around 70).
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> And you are using RO water, and not aerating the lime water, right?
>>
>> I found a really good source directly from a manufacture here in
>> Florida. I used to sell it in the store. Just for the fun of it, I
>> sold it real cheap. I sold it for a $1.00 a bag. Then when people
>> would see it and ask what it was, I'd say "It's a dollar bag". :-)
>>
>> Hmm, maybe I should start buying it again, and auction it off on ebay.
>> :-)
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick wrote on 1/2/2008 8:47 AM:
>>> Happy New Year,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a preferred kalkwasser mix (for those that use one).
>>> I'm currently using Kent Marine, but I've noticed a lot more
>>> precipitate in the mix lately, using the same proportions of water /
>>> powder. Anyone have any experience with any other brands?
>>>
>>> Thanks - Patrick
>

[Patrick]

Wayne, I am using RO water. The mixture sits in an airtight pitcher (one of
the old type screw-on lid lemonade pitchers) with a lid on and only gets
opened when I need to fill up my drip-dose container. It just seems that
this only started to happen after I received the new container of Kent's
product that's why I was wondering if it could be a bad batch (don't know if
that's even possible though). Thanks for any suggestions,

Patrick


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> You say that you are using the same water, but if you are using tap water,
> that changes.
>
> Dry calcium hydroxide will loose it's strength by absorbing CO2. It's best
> for long time storage, that you store it in an air tight container. A bag
> is fine for short term storage. If storing in a bag, double bagging and
> triple bagging helps.
>

[Wayne Sallee]

Yes, it could be a bad batch.

Wayne Sallee



Patrick wrote on 1/2/2008 3:37 PM:
> Wayne, I am using RO water. The mixture sits in an airtight pitcher (one
> of the old type screw-on lid lemonade pitchers) with a lid on and only
> gets opened when I need to fill up my drip-dose container. It just seems
> that this only started to happen after I received the new container of
> Kent's product that's why I was wondering if it could be a bad batch
> (don't know if that's even possible though). Thanks for any suggestions,
>
> Patrick
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You say that you are using the same water, but if you are using tap
>> water, that changes.
>>
>> Dry calcium hydroxide will loose it's strength by absorbing CO2. It's
>> best for long time storage, that you store it in an air tight
>> container. A bag is fine for short term storage. If storing in a bag,
>> double bagging and triple bagging helps.
>>
>

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

What is Kalkwaser used for? I have FOWLR I Knows its for Corals but what
does it do?

[KurtG[_3_]]

Peter Pan wrote:
> What is Kalkwaser used for? I have FOWLR I Knows its for Corals but what
> does it do?

You can mix it with RO/DI water for make up water. In solution, it
creates Calcium hydroxide, so it replenishes Ca+ ions. As it's very
basic, it's best to drip it in using a drip gate or using a top off
device or mix it with the effluent from a calcium reactor.

It will help your coralline grow if you have it. It will also react
with phosphate and participate out of solution, so it keeps the
phosphate under control as well. When I was dealing with hair algae, it
really helped knock back the growth.

--Kurt

[Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)[_5_]]

On Jan 3, 7:20*pm, KurtG > wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
> > What is Kalkwaser used for? I have FOWLR I Knows its for Corals but what
> > does it do?
>
> You can mix it with RO/DI water for make up water. *In solution, it
> creates Calcium hydroxide, so it replenishes Ca+ ions. *As it's very
> basic, it's best to drip it in using a drip gate or using a top off
> device or mix it with the effluent from a calcium reactor.
>
> It will help your coralline grow if you have it. *It will also react
> with phosphate and participate out of solution, so it keeps the
> phosphate under control as well. *When I was dealing with hair algae, it
> really helped knock back the growth.
>
> --Kurt

Just quit wanking in the tank Kurt.................and your skimmer
will not have to work as hard...............

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

KurtG wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> What is Kalkwaser used for? I have FOWLR I Knows its for Corals but what
>> does it do?
>
> You can mix it with RO/DI water for make up water. In solution, it
> creates Calcium hydroxide, so it replenishes Ca+ ions. As it's very
> basic, it's best to drip it in using a drip gate or using a top off
> device or mix it with the effluent from a calcium reactor.
>
> It will help your coralline grow if you have it. It will also react
> with phosphate and participate out of solution, so it keeps the
> phosphate under control as well. When I was dealing with hair algae, it
> really helped knock back the growth.
>
> --Kurt
I have Coralline and its doing fine, I don't have any issues with
phosphates or algae. Is there another benefit to using it?

[KurtG[_3_]]

Peter Pan wrote:
> I have Coralline and its doing fine, I don't have any issues with
> phosphates or algae. Is there another benefit to using it?

I like to think that it prevents cavities as I setup the siphon before
bedtime. (Yes, I'm kidding.)

--Kurt

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

KurtG wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> I have Coralline and its doing fine, I don't have any issues with
>> phosphates or algae. Is there another benefit to using it?
>
> I like to think that it prevents cavities as I setup the siphon before
> bedtime. (Yes, I'm kidding.)
>
> --Kurt
Does it also prevent global warming? (Kidding)

[Patrick]

Just my "two cents" and someone please correct me if I'm wrong: but in
addition to helping to keep phosphates down and coralline to grow, it also
provides the extra available calcium for any corals (SPS's, LPS's, etc,) and
any inverts (snails, etc.) that may need it. I started to use it when I set
up my first tank almost three years ago, then stopped dosing about a year
ago (for three months), then started again because certain things (snails,
tube worms, etc) seemed to stop growing (I guess that could have just been a
normal cycle for some). But I did notice that when I started again,
everything seemed to grow better shortly after.

Patrick


"KurtG" > wrote in message
. ..
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> I have Coralline and its doing fine, I don't have any issues with
>> phosphates or algae. Is there another benefit to using it?
>
> I like to think that it prevents cavities as I setup the siphon before
> bedtime. (Yes, I'm kidding.)
>
> --Kurt

[KurtG[_3_]]

Peter Pan wrote:
> Does it also prevent global warming? (Kidding)

Absolutely! It absorbs CO2 before it can enter the oceans and destroy
coral reefs.

--Kurt

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

Wayne if you decide to sell it, please let us know.
Thanks

[Wayne Sallee]

Ok, if I start selling it I'll let you know. Right
now I'm testing the ebay waters by auctioning off ph
meters and calibration solutions.
http://myworld.ebay.com/waynespets

I've never done ebay before, so this will be
interesting. :-)

Wayne Sallee



Peter Pan wrote on 1/4/2008 9:04 PM:
> Wayne if you decide to sell it, please let us know.
> Thanks

[Susan]

Hey Wayne I didn't know you are from Leesburg. I will be heading to
Bushnell next month. Any good reef/fish places to see around the area?
Went to the Tampa Aquarium last year and enjoyed it.

Susan :)
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, if I start selling it I'll let you know. Right now I'm testing the
> ebay waters by auctioning off ph meters and calibration solutions.
> http://myworld.ebay.com/waynespets
>
> I've never done ebay before, so this will be interesting. :-)
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote on 1/4/2008 9:04 PM:
>> Wayne if you decide to sell it, please let us know.
>> Thanks

[Wayne Sallee]

There's a fairly good one in Gainesville called
Aquatropics owned by Matias. I saw him almost every
week when I went down to Tampa wholesalers to get fish.

If you go to Orlando, and open a phone book, you
will see that there are several on the same street,
and several others all close to each other. That
makes it nice for going to one reef store to
another, to another, to another.

Personally I'm not too impressed with what's
available these days. I purchased a store, and
renamed it, and built it up and had great plans, but
I could not compete against the dishonesty of the
other stores. The problem is that most stores that
are successful with lot's of stuff in the stores, do
so by dishonesty. But then there aren't to many
honest stores around in any field. I was at office
depot, and asked them why they were selling the HP
Pavilion lap tops when they were known to be lemons.
They guy said that he had never heard of any
complaints. Yea right :-)


Wayne Sallee


Susan wrote on 1/6/2008 1:26 AM:
> Hey Wayne I didn't know you are from Leesburg. I will be heading to
> Bushnell next month. Any good reef/fish places to see around the area?
> Went to the Tampa Aquarium last year and enjoyed it.
>
> Susan :)
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ok, if I start selling it I'll let you know. Right now I'm testing the
>> ebay waters by auctioning off ph meters and calibration solutions.
>> http://myworld.ebay.com/waynespets
>>
>> I've never done ebay before, so this will be interesting. :-)
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Pan wrote on 1/4/2008 9:04 PM:
>>> Wayne if you decide to sell it, please let us know.
>>> Thanks
>
>

[Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)[_4_]]

You marine reefers are a kinky bunch for sure

[KurtG[_3_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> I could not compete against the dishonesty of the other stores.

Do you mean selling stuff to people that they know have a slim chance of
success? That's how I ended up with my H. magnifica on day 2 of the hobby.

--Kurt

[Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)[_4_]]

On Jan 10, 1:23*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
wrote:
> You marine reefers are a kinky bunch for sure

[Wayne Sallee]

I had one customer tell me that she bought this
really pretty salt water fish at the other store,
and got it at a really good price. She said that she
was told that it would eat fish poop.

3 guesses what that fish was, and the first 2
guesses don't count :-)

I knew as soon as she said that, what kind of fish
it was. What would be the farthest thing from the
truth, and you have your answer.

It was a mandarin dragnet.

I used to raise crickets. I had over 100,000 of
them. I sold the healthiest crickets, and for the
best price. One guy at another store said "But
Wayne's crickets don't have protein."

It's amazing what they will say for a sale.

Wayne Sallee



KurtG wrote on 1/10/2008 2:55 PM:
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>> I could not compete against the dishonesty of the other stores.
>
> Do you mean selling stuff to people that they know have a slim chance of
> success? That's how I ended up with my H. magnifica on day 2 of the hobby.
>
> --Kurt

[Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)[_4_]]

On Jan 10, 3:10*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
wrote:
> On Jan 10, 1:23*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
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[KurtG[_3_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> She said
> that she was told that it would eat fish poop.
>
> It was a mandarin dragnet.


The irony is that sales person probably believed that. I've met some of
the most ill informed people talking like they were the font of all
knowledge.


> I used to raise crickets. I had over 100,000 of them. I sold the
> healthiest crickets, and for the best price. One guy at another store
> said "But Wayne's crickets don't have protein."

ah, the power of FUD (ie, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). it seems to
be universal in sales. FUD is usually crafted to be difficult to combat
as well. Once the seed is planted, it just seems to grow. It's
definitely dirty, but also very effective.

In the case of crikets, I'd put of a placard about the crickets are fed
some patented formula (WTech) that makes this especially nutritious to
their predators. WTech delivers protein, calcium, and blah,blah,blah to
your pet.

Vrs. crickets shipped in from Timbuktu that literally eat themselves
from the inside out. All you're feeding your pet is the twinkie of
crickets.

Hey, FUD is a two way street. Gotta toot your own horn.

--Kurt

[Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)[_4_]]

On Jan 11, 7:56*am, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
wrote:
> On Jan 10, 3:10*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 1:23*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
> > wrote:
>
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[George Patterson]

KurtG wrote:

> Hey, FUD is a two way street. Gotta toot your own horn.

Whosoever bloweth not his own horn, said shall remain unblown.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 11, 3:52*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
wrote:
> On Jan 11, 7:56*am, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 3:10*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 10, 1:23*pm, "Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)" >
> > > wrote:
>
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KurtG wrote:
> Hey, ****ING is a two way street. Gotta toot your own horn. I tried to blow myself but its too small to reach


Whosoever bloweth not his own dick, shall remain in constant demand to
suck dick like Big Habeeb and KurtG

Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present, so start
the day off by giving someone a blow job and a smile!

George Patterson