Koi-Lo wrote:

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Koi-Lo wrote:

BTW not all of us on this NG are city dwellers. Even out here in the
country most of us do have at least one neighbor in earshot of our
ponds.

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Those of us in the UK know the pain of having frog CDs - there was/is
a certain "Crazy Frog" that charted...yuk


I was talking about the green slippery ones. :-)

I still don't see how someone can be held responsible for frogs...OK
you've built a pond that attracts them but they are still out there
somewhere...maybe if you didn't have a pond they'd find their way into
a puddle in a neighbour's garden...or is it a "not in my back yard"
mentality.


It may partly be that - for sure. But what can someone do if the frogs
in your pond do indeed keep them awake night after night? Those who
must get up in the morning to go to a job can't sleep during the day
when the frogs are quiet. Here in the USA you would cited for "creating
a nuisance" just like if you had a backyard full of barking dogs or were
feeding 100 stray cats.

I just don't see how any pond keeper could be deemed

inconsiderate because a wild animal makes a noise - can you be held
responsible if a fox (or any wild dog) makes a noise because maybe you
keep chickens?


If they're creating problems for a neighbor - YES - in many areas. But
the USA is big and laws vary state by state and city by city.

Or that a bird of prey makes a horrendous noise because

they live in your area because there is other wild-life - mice, rats
etc. (OMG just remembered they will be at it again in a few weeks)...


If the birds of prey are after your chickens or pigeons - you can be
held responsible for "creating a nuisance." Again Gill, it depends on
where you live.

Actually having a frog eating bugs must be a plus for any
neighbourhood...


I think most people would rather spray with toxic poisons than be kept
awake by frogs. :-(

A dog barking is different...but how do you stop your pet cat fighting?


I hate to say this but usually a neighbor who is being kept awake by
fighting cats buys a 22........ bye bye cats. People here who value
their cats neuter them and keep them indoors.

That keeps people awake as well...in fact the list is endless...but
IMO in terms of anti-social behaviour frogs just don't get on the
list....


I agree... as long as they're not under my own bedroom window. ;-)
Fortunately my ponds are in front of the house and behind the house,
none are near by bedroom. My house isn't really close enough to the
other homes to have anyone complain about the frogs.


But you still cannot say that the pond owner is responsible....as I said
if they aren't in your pond they will still be in the neighbourhood...

Yep, spraying with poison or shooting cats and other wildlife is an
option but hardly a responsible one....you and I have had various
discussions about the quality of lifestock and regulations regarding the
sale of fish etc. Obviously the attitude goes further than this if
shooting a cat, poisoning, or suing anyone who creates a natural
environment for native species is the norm then you guys have a lot of
work to do....I know you won't take this personally as I know your
opinions on all of this...we've talked too much....but you guys in the
US need to get real on this....native species need to be
protected...even if they do irritate....if you choose to live in the
country then you accept the wildlife....

Gill