Frogs

Koi-Lo wrote:

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Koi-Lo wrote:

BTW not all of us on this NG are city dwellers. Even out here in the
country most of us do have at least one neighbor in earshot of our
ponds.

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Those of us in the UK know the pain of having frog CDs - there was/is
a certain "Crazy Frog" that charted...yuk


I was talking about the green slippery ones. :-)

I still don't see how someone can be held responsible for frogs...OK
you've built a pond that attracts them but they are still out there
somewhere...maybe if you didn't have a pond they'd find their way into
a puddle in a neighbour's garden...or is it a "not in my back yard"
mentality.


It may partly be that - for sure. But what can someone do if the frogs
in your pond do indeed keep them awake night after night? Those who
must get up in the morning to go to a job can't sleep during the day
when the frogs are quiet. Here in the USA you would cited for "creating
a nuisance" just like if you had a backyard full of barking dogs or were
feeding 100 stray cats.

I just don't see how any pond keeper could be deemed

inconsiderate because a wild animal makes a noise - can you be held
responsible if a fox (or any wild dog) makes a noise because maybe you
keep chickens?


If they're creating problems for a neighbor - YES - in many areas. But
the USA is big and laws vary state by state and city by city.

Or that a bird of prey makes a horrendous noise because

they live in your area because there is other wild-life - mice, rats
etc. (OMG just remembered they will be at it again in a few weeks)...


If the birds of prey are after your chickens or pigeons - you can be
held responsible for "creating a nuisance." Again Gill, it depends on
where you live.

Actually having a frog eating bugs must be a plus for any
neighbourhood...


I think most people would rather spray with toxic poisons than be kept
awake by frogs. :-(

A dog barking is different...but how do you stop your pet cat fighting?


I hate to say this but usually a neighbor who is being kept awake by
fighting cats buys a 22........ bye bye cats. People here who value
their cats neuter them and keep them indoors.

That keeps people awake as well...in fact the list is endless...but
IMO in terms of anti-social behaviour frogs just don't get on the
list....


I agree... as long as they're not under my own bedroom window. ;-)
Fortunately my ponds are in front of the house and behind the house,
none are near by bedroom. My house isn't really close enough to the
other homes to have anyone complain about the frogs.


But you still cannot say that the pond owner is responsible....as I said
if they aren't in your pond they will still be in the neighbourhood...

Yep, spraying with poison or shooting cats and other wildlife is an
option but hardly a responsible one....you and I have had various
discussions about the quality of lifestock and regulations regarding the
sale of fish etc. Obviously the attitude goes further than this if
shooting a cat, poisoning, or suing anyone who creates a natural
environment for native species is the norm then you guys have a lot of
work to do....I know you won't take this personally as I know your
opinions on all of this...we've talked too much....but you guys in the
US need to get real on this....native species need to be
protected...even if they do irritate....if you choose to live in the
country then you accept the wildlife....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Koi-Lo wrote:
I agree... as long as they're not under my own bedroom window. ;-)
Fortunately my ponds are in front of the house and behind the house, none
are near by bedroom. My house isn't really close enough to the other
homes to have anyone complain about the frogs.
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But you still cannot say that the pond owner is responsible....as I said
if they aren't in your pond they will still be in the neighbourhood...

Not necessarily. Until we put the ponds in all I ever heard here were the
spring-peepers in the stock pond on an adjoining farm. That lasted only a
week maybe. That pond isn't close enough to make the peepers a night time
problem. But once we put in these two ponds we suddenly had several
different frogs croaking away from mid spring into the summer. So I think
that may depend on where you live. Breeding frogs need water and if there
is no water you wont have croakers at night.

Yep, spraying with poison or shooting cats and other wildlife is an option
but hardly a responsible one....

I agree! It's disgusting but that's what people do. In one town someone
was poisoning dogs with hot-dogs. Everyone feared a child would eat a piece
and sicken or die. I have a Have-A-Heart trap for pest animals.

you and I have had various
discussions about the quality of lifestock and regulations regarding the
sale of fish etc. Obviously the attitude goes further than this if
shooting a cat, poisoning, or suing anyone who creates a natural
environment for native species is the norm then you guys have a lot of
work to do....

Getting anything changed here is a bear. People just give up and go with
the flow.......

I know you won't take this personally as I know your
opinions on all of this...we've talked too much....but you guys in the US
need to get real on this....native species need to be protected...even if
they do irritate....if you choose to live in the country then you accept
the wildlife....

BINGO!!! Now if someone would only tell the city people who move out here
and start complaining about frogs, the smell of cow manure, crowing roosters
that this is all part of country life - they may decide to stay in town.
If they don't like these natural sounds and smells they don't belong out
here.
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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
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....but you guys in the US.....

Please don't generalize. I'm sure there are unenlightened people in the UK
who have done in a protected species. ~ jan

need to get real on this....native species need to be
protected...even if they do irritate....if you choose to live in the
country then you accept the wildlife....

Gill

~ jan/WA
Zone 7a