Why shouldn't mix GF with other fish?

I have 3 questions about mixing fish:

Is it due to the toxicity GF spread in the water?

How about if you take care of the water condition with weekly water changes?

Are humans suceptible to fish diseases in any way?

Thanks in advance for your comments,



Ruben

"RubenD" wrote in message
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I have 3 questions about mixing fish:

Is it due to the toxicity GF spread in the water?

All fish excrete waste into the water. That's why you need to keep doing
partial water changes.

How about if you take care of the water condition with weekly water
changes?

You still have the temperature differences. Tropical fish like warmer water
than goldfish.

Are humans suceptible to fish diseases in any way?

Yes, a few. Google the subject.

Thanks in advance for your comments,

Koi-Lo

GF are more of a colder water fish and do not do well in the higher
temps most tropical fish tanks are kept at, and visa versa. Most
filtratin systems are usually insufficient for gF but easily handle a
load of typical tropicals. Usually diseases are specie specific, and
not transmimttable to humans.

GF are not toxic, they just produce more waste than the average
tropical does so therefore you get more of a bio load, but the main
thing is the temperature preference, which water changes etc or any
other process is not going to solve.



On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:52:10 GMT, "RubenD"
wrote:
I have 3 questions about mixing fish:

Is it due to the toxicity GF spread in the water?

How about if you take care of the water condition with weekly water changes?

Are humans suceptible to fish diseases in any way?

Thanks in advance for your comments,



Ruben


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"~Roy~" wrote in message
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GF are more of a colder water fish and do not do well in the higher
temps most tropical fish tanks are kept at, and visa versa. Most
filtratin systems are usually insufficient for gF but easily handle a
load of typical tropicals. Usually diseases are specie specific, and
not transmimttable to humans.

GF are not toxic, they just produce more waste than the average
tropical does so therefore you get more of a bio load, but the main
thing is the temperature preference, which water changes etc or any
other process is not going to solve.



On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:52:10 GMT, "RubenD"
wrote:
I have 3 questions about mixing fish:

Is it due to the toxicity GF spread in the water?

How about if you take care of the water condition with weekly water
changes?

Are humans suceptible to fish diseases in any way?

Thanks in advance for your comments,



Ruben


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I have raised the temp of my tank to 27c and my goldfish are now more active
than ever. Really thriving in warmer water. I also have a Siamese Fighter
and Silver Shark in my tank which also are thriving. Only problem is The
Goldies get to the food first..

"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
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"RubenD" wrote in message
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For being the self appointed newsgroup expert, you love to demonstrate your
lack of knowledge on a regular basis, compounded with your rush to be the
first person to reply, you rarely take the time to read and understand what
the person was asking.

The reason it's not advised to mix GF and tropicals is that goldfish have an
ideal temp range of 65-75F. Tropicals are happy in the 75-80F range. GF are
larger, and slower moving fish, tropicals are typically smaller and faster
moving. Tropicals usually have a diet higher in protein. GF also tax the
filtration system with their higher waste generation, something tropicals
are more sensitive towards.

For example an 8" red cap goldfish would look out of place in a tank full of
neon terras that perform laps around the goldfish..

There are some parasites that can be transmitted to humans from fish, but
that's usually through consumption, or exposing cuts to contaminated water.
Most of the fish diseases and parasites found on tropical pet fish do not
cross over well to humans.

-S

GF, especially fancy GF do much better at 75oF. They are not cold water fish, it is
an oft repeated mistake because GF can survive lower temps. however, they do not
thrive at lower temps.
GF do make more wastes and drive nitrates high in a tank. trops wont survive high
nitrates. most people overfeed GF too, which drives nitrates up.
GF will eat anything fits in their mouth. including smaller fish. they really are
"meat eaters" since the only thing GF can digest are proteins and fats. many people
think they are plant eaters. they arent.
humans and fish share diseases, including strep and staph infections. but a form of
skin TB is perhaps the best known. it just isnt a good idea to put hands in the tank
all the time. Ingrid

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:52:10 GMT, "RubenD"
it due to the toxicity GF spread in the water?
How about if you take care of the water condition with weekly water
changes?
Are humans suceptible to fish diseases in any way?



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"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
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"RubenD" wrote in message
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For being the self appointed newsgroup expert, you love to demonstrate
your lack of knowledge on a regular basis,

Self appointed? Don't waste your time with trolling insults Snooze, they
wont work on me.

compounded with your rush to be the
first person to reply,

Then your newsreader is missing messages. I suggest you get a better
newsreader.

you rarely take the time to read and understand what
the person was asking.

You rarely take the time to read and understand the replies I give them, and
immediately TROLL my messages.

The reason it's not advised to mix GF and tropicals is that goldfish have
an ideal temp range of 65-75F. Tropicals are happy in the 75-80F range.

Yes, I mentioned the temp difference but fancy GF will do ok in water 75 -
80F. People keep them in ponds in the southern states and along the
gulfcoast where the water is in that range or warmer.

GF are
larger, and slower moving fish, tropicals are typically smaller and faster
moving. Tropicals usually have a diet higher in protein.

That thought is changing. Goldfish will thrive on a variety of diets
including what is fed to tropicals.

GF also tax the
filtration system with their higher waste generation, something tropicals
are more sensitive towards.

Get with the times. Partial water changes and modern filtration have
changed that. My ottos and plecs are doing fine in my GF tanks. I don't
mix GF with tropicals because I don't care for the look of mixing them, and
their water remains around 74 to 76 F, a bit lower than what is ideal for
tropicals.

For example an 8" red cap goldfish would look out of place in a tank full
of neon terras that perform laps around the goldfish..

What would LOOK out of place to YOU may look great to the next person. Some
like screaming hot pink gravel and others like the natural colors. You're
trying to speak for someone else's taste now.

There are some parasites that can be transmitted to humans from fish, but
that's usually through consumption, or exposing cuts to contaminated
water.

There was a skin condition you could get from either a virus or bacterial
infection mentioned on the old Sillybug GF list a few years back. I'm not
going to take the time to look them up because I'm not interested in the
subject.

Most of the fish diseases and parasites found on tropical pet fish do not
cross over well to humans.

Which he would quickly learn if he Googled the subject as I suggested.

Koi-Lo.........

"pointmeister" wrote in message
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I have raised the temp of my tank to 27c and my goldfish are now more
active than ever. Really thriving in warmer water. I also have a Siamese
Fighter and Silver Shark in my tank which also are thriving. Only problem
is The Goldies get to the food first..
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GF don't *need* cooler water to live and thrive. But if they don't have a
winter "cool" period they may not breed reliably which I'm sure you are not
concerned about. Tropicals will do well at 78F which is a good compromise
if you really want to keep them together. But GF do get large and do
produce a lot of waste so you can't get lax on partial water changes. A
comet or Shubunkin GF can reach a length of 12" with good care. The fancies
such as Orandas and Lionheads can reach the same weight as a comet. These
things should be considered before adding GF to a tank.

Watch that Siamese fighter (Betta) because some of them will nip the fins of
other fish.

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So when are you and your sock puppets gonna start flooding the other
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