Hazy Water - Help!

I am running a 33 gallon tank with three goldfish (one red cap oranda & two
black moors). The filter is part of a 'Marineland Eclipse 3' hood, and
yesterday I added a Fluval 3+ filter to provide extra filtration. In both
filters, I have high filtration polyester 'pads' and there is a biowheel
running. There is also an airstone running.

The water has been hazy since December. I removed the gravel from the tank
in February - no improvements. I recently put the gravel back in the tank -
no change.

The haziness, is actually caused by very fine white particles. There are a
ton of them floating around. You can only see them from up close, but from
a distance you notice a slight haze in the tank (you can still see through
it). I am also running a tropical tank in the same room, and its water is
crystal clear... Both tanks are in a room without direct sunlight, but with
indirect sunlight (reflected) - there is never sun shining directly on the
tank.

I do 30% water changes once a week, the fish are all growing rapidly and are
very active. None of the fish are sick. I feed the fish ProGold goldfish
food (about 4-5 pellets per fish per day which they eat on the spot).

Here are the readings from the tank today:

PH = 7.6
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0
KH Carbonate Hardness = 4 dKH or 71.6 ppm KH
GH General Hardness = 9 dKH or 161.1 ppm GH

I would like to know how to identify the cause of this problem? What could
be some reasons, and can anyone suggest what I can do to get the water back
to crystal clear?

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Please see the following link for an idea of how hazy the water is:
http://members.rogers.com/scottliles/hazy_water.jpg
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Thanks -


Scott

I have a very similar hazy look in my 125 gallon cichlid tank. Nothing
I've done so far has changed it and my fish all seem healthy so far.
I've sort of resigned myself to the haze, so if anyone has suggestions
I'd be interested too. (I'm running 2 penguin 330 bio wheel filters in it)
wendy

Scott wrote:
I am running a 33 gallon tank with three goldfish (one red cap oranda & two
black moors). The filter is part of a 'Marineland Eclipse 3' hood, and
yesterday I added a Fluval 3+ filter to provide extra filtration. In both
filters, I have high filtration polyester 'pads' and there is a biowheel
running. There is also an airstone running.

The water has been hazy since December. I removed the gravel from the tank
in February - no improvements. I recently put the gravel back in the tank -
no change.

The haziness, is actually caused by very fine white particles. There are a
ton of them floating around. You can only see them from up close, but from
a distance you notice a slight haze in the tank (you can still see through
it). I am also running a tropical tank in the same room, and its water is
crystal clear... Both tanks are in a room without direct sunlight, but with
indirect sunlight (reflected) - there is never sun shining directly on the
tank.

I do 30% water changes once a week, the fish are all growing rapidly and are
very active. None of the fish are sick. I feed the fish ProGold goldfish
food (about 4-5 pellets per fish per day which they eat on the spot).

Here are the readings from the tank today:

PH = 7.6
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0
KH Carbonate Hardness = 4 dKH or 71.6 ppm KH
GH General Hardness = 9 dKH or 161.1 ppm GH

I would like to know how to identify the cause of this problem? What could
be some reasons, and can anyone suggest what I can do to get the water back
to crystal clear?

---------
Please see the following link for an idea of how hazy the water is:
http://members.rogers.com/scottliles/hazy_water.jpg
---------


Thanks -


Scott

You didn't state what your nitrate parameters are
(i'm sure it's not that). Have you considered doing
a 30% change every two days for a week and see if that
gets rid of the "haze" for at least a while?

Also what temperature is your tank at?

Try borrowing or buying a diatom filter and it will clear that up in
hours

Marcus

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:37:05 -0400, Wendy Puckett
wrote:

I have a very similar hazy look in my 125 gallon cichlid tank. Nothing
I've done so far has changed it and my fish all seem healthy so far.
I've sort of resigned myself to the haze, so if anyone has suggestions
I'd be interested too. (I'm running 2 penguin 330 bio wheel filters in it)
wendy

Scott wrote:
I am running a 33 gallon tank with three goldfish (one red cap oranda & two
black moors). The filter is part of a 'Marineland Eclipse 3' hood, and
yesterday I added a Fluval 3+ filter to provide extra filtration. In both
filters, I have high filtration polyester 'pads' and there is a biowheel
running. There is also an airstone running.

The water has been hazy since December. I removed the gravel from the tank
in February - no improvements. I recently put the gravel back in the tank -
no change.

The haziness, is actually caused by very fine white particles. There are a
ton of them floating around. You can only see them from up close, but from
a distance you notice a slight haze in the tank (you can still see through
it). I am also running a tropical tank in the same room, and its water is
crystal clear... Both tanks are in a room without direct sunlight, but with
indirect sunlight (reflected) - there is never sun shining directly on the
tank.

I do 30% water changes once a week, the fish are all growing rapidly and are
very active. None of the fish are sick. I feed the fish ProGold goldfish
food (about 4-5 pellets per fish per day which they eat on the spot).

Here are the readings from the tank today:

PH = 7.6
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0
KH Carbonate Hardness = 4 dKH or 71.6 ppm KH
GH General Hardness = 9 dKH or 161.1 ppm GH

I would like to know how to identify the cause of this problem? What could
be some reasons, and can anyone suggest what I can do to get the water back
to crystal clear?

---------
Please see the following link for an idea of how hazy the water is:
http://members.rogers.com/scottliles/hazy_water.jpg
---------


Thanks -


Scott

Nitrates are 0ppm and temp of the tank is 74 degrees Fahrenheit. I've
tried the water change in intervals of 20% at a time every 3 days for 2
weeks and had little success. Is there a chance that it's some sort of
algae? Besides buying a diatom filter for it, is there anything else I
could try? Right now I'm using carbon in the media baskets in both of
the penguin 330s.

Thanks
Wendy

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:
You didn't state what your nitrate parameters are
(i'm sure it's not that). Have you considered doing
a 30% change every two days for a week and see if that
gets rid of the "haze" for at least a while?

Also what temperature is your tank at?

I had that problem when I was using carbon inserts...
No matter how long I spent pre-rinsing them, they always cloudied up the
water.
I replaced the carbon inserts with lavarock and EHFI Substrat, and have had
no issues ever since.
....Kodiak


"Wendy Puckett" wrote in message
...
Nitrates are 0ppm and temp of the tank is 74 degrees Fahrenheit. I've
tried the water change in intervals of 20% at a time every 3 days for 2
weeks and had little success. Is there a chance that it's some sort of
algae? Besides buying a diatom filter for it, is there anything else I
could try? Right now I'm using carbon in the media baskets in both of
the penguin 330s.

Thanks
Wendy

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:
You didn't state what your nitrate parameters are
(i'm sure it's not that). Have you considered doing
a 30% change every two days for a week and see if that
gets rid of the "haze" for at least a while?

Also what temperature is your tank at?

Ok, I had the original post (see below) and to answer "Geezer's" question I
just went out and bought two test kits - nitrate & phosphate. I was
actually quite surprised to find that:

NEW Nitrates = 30ppm
NEW Phosphates = 4.0mg/L
PH = 7.6
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0
KH Carbonate Hardness = 4 dKH or 71.6 ppm KH
GH General Hardness = 9 dKH or 161.1 ppm GH

I'm not overfeeding (I fed the fish in an empty tank for 3 months, and I
know how much they eat within a couple of minutes). My water changes are
about 30% per week, but I was told by the LFS to increase the water changes
to 50% per week.

Would the nitrate or phosphate values indicate a reason for the haze / small
floating particles in the water?

Any help is appreciated!


Scott

"Scott" wrote in message
...
I am running a 33 gallon tank with three goldfish (one red cap oranda &
two
black moors). The filter is part of a 'Marineland Eclipse 3' hood, and
yesterday I added a Fluval 3+ filter to provide extra filtration. In both
filters, I have high filtration polyester 'pads' and there is a biowheel
running. There is also an airstone running.

The water has been hazy since December. I removed the gravel from the
tank
in February - no improvements. I recently put the gravel back in the
tank -
no change.

The haziness, is actually caused by very fine white particles. There are
a
ton of them floating around. You can only see them from up close, but
from
a distance you notice a slight haze in the tank (you can still see through
it). I am also running a tropical tank in the same room, and its water is
crystal clear... Both tanks are in a room without direct sunlight, but
with
indirect sunlight (reflected) - there is never sun shining directly on the
tank.

I do 30% water changes once a week, the fish are all growing rapidly and
are
very active. None of the fish are sick. I feed the fish ProGold goldfish
food (about 4-5 pellets per fish per day which they eat on the spot).

Here are the readings from the tank today:

PH = 7.6
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0
KH Carbonate Hardness = 4 dKH or 71.6 ppm KH
GH General Hardness = 9 dKH or 161.1 ppm GH

I would like to know how to identify the cause of this problem? What
could
be some reasons, and can anyone suggest what I can do to get the water
back
to crystal clear?

---------
Please see the following link for an idea of how hazy the water is:
http://members.rogers.com/scottliles/hazy_water.jpg
---------


Thanks -


Scott