Oranda goldfish

Hi, please be blunt with me about this. I went to a local petstore a
few weeks ago and fell in love with a tiny oranda that they had in
there. Would I be overstocking my 55g with 5 fancy goldfish in there?
It would give them 11g each. I am overfiltering, using a Fluval 404.
Was more concerned about the space they will have.

Secondly, will the other godfish eat the oranda's head growth? Does
every oranda have problems with the head growth covering its eyes?

Yes I'm a novice.
Thanks in advance
Mellie

Moments before spontaneously combusting Mellie101 at
was heard opining:

Hi, please be blunt with me about this. I went to a local petstore a
few weeks ago and fell in love with a tiny oranda that they had in
there. Would I be overstocking my 55g with 5 fancy goldfish in there?

No. I have even kept 6 fancies in a 55g tank for years. The "rule" is one
GF per 10 gallons but with excellent filtration and enough partial water
changes 6 would be ok in my opinion (because I did it.). Should water
quality issues somehow become an issue down the road you can always remove
one or add more filtration and water changes.

It would give them 11g each. I am overfiltering, using a Fluval 404.
Was more concerned about the space they will have.

Give it a go! :-)

Secondly, will the other godfish eat the oranda's head growth? Does
every oranda have problems with the head growth covering its eyes?

Only starving GF would try and eat parts of another living GF. Something
would have to be off kilter there. My Orandas don't bother each other's
head growths and no, not all have the growth blind them in time. I also
have the water-bubble-eye GF and the others ignore the bubbles.
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"Mellie101" wrote in news:1141847939.264144.242990
@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

there. Would I be overstocking my 55g with 5 fancy goldfish in there?
It would give them 11g each. I am overfiltering, using a Fluval 404.
Was more concerned about the space they will have.

Ya it would be kinda overstocked, but doable. Keep a close eye on
everybody and don't fall behind with your water changes.


Secondly, will the other godfish eat the oranda's head growth? Does

It is possible, but it will usually only happen if the oranda is already
showing signs of weakness. In my experience, orandas are usually the main
attackers of other orandas.


every oranda have problems with the head growth covering its eyes?

Not every oranda has problems with the hood growing over the eyes, just
ones that have been bread to have massive hoods. We had a black ranchu in
the store a few months back that got the nickname Biggie. He was a
gorgeous grade-B fish imported from Hong Kong. His eyes were barely
visible. He got on fine in the store tank for many weeks before he was
finally sold to an experienced goldfish owner with taste.

Koi-Lo wrote:
Being up front as usual, are you sure your ready this time around
since you have been having all kind sof problems with fish with red
streaks etc etc etc........Its nice to be able to buy em but its
better to be able to keep em healthy and alive as well.

If you have to ask these types of questions then evidently you
certainly have not researched anything on these or the other fish....

On 8 Mar 2006 11:58:59 -0800, "Mellie101"
wrote:

Hi, please be blunt with me about this. I went to a local petstore a
few weeks ago and fell in love with a tiny oranda that they had in
there. Would I be overstocking my 55g with 5 fancy goldfish in there?
It would give them 11g each. I am overfiltering, using a Fluval 404.
Was more concerned about the space they will have.

Secondly, will the other godfish eat the oranda's head growth? Does
every oranda have problems with the head growth covering its eyes?

Yes I'm a novice.
Thanks in advance
Mellie


I think that you have made a very, valid point albeit a little too
blunt...shame you didn't have the confidence to make it as yourself....

I totally agree that we should research our fish before making
purchases...however, that being said, how many of us still make the odd
impulse purchase...I do, and I'm pretty sure if you are honest with
yourself you do as well....it's part of our addiction (lol)...the fact
that the OP is asking the questions shows a willingness to learn and be
guided by those more experienced...I don't think any of us should knock
this...but should offer our experience to help things to a happy
conclusion....BTW I know nothing about goldfish nor will pretend
to...have the occasional hankering for a pond though....

Take care Roy

Gill

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Mellie101 wrote:
Hi, please be blunt with me about this. I went to a local petstore a
few weeks ago and fell in love with a tiny oranda that they had in
there. Would I be overstocking my 55g with 5 fancy goldfish in there?
It would give them 11g each. I am overfiltering, using a Fluval 404.
Was more concerned about the space they will have.

That sounds about right to me.


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Hey gill, point me to where I have and am required topost with my god
given name on usenet and I will..until then shove your opinion up
yourr ass.......I may change my name since it seems like the rthing
lots of others like to do as well, but I still leave my ever present
signature and asci art.....so its not like I tried to hide or be
anonymous, now is it? Asshole!
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:00:56 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:
Koi-Lo wrote:
Being up front as usual, are you sure your ready this time around
since you have been having all kind sof problems with fish with red
streaks etc etc etc........Its nice to be able to buy em but its
better to be able to keep em healthy and alive as well.

If you have to ask these types of questions then evidently you
certainly have not researched anything on these or the other fish....

On 8 Mar 2006 11:58:59 -0800, "Mellie101"
wrote:

Hi, please be blunt with me about this. I went to a local petstore a
few weeks ago and fell in love with a tiny oranda that they had in
there. Would I be overstocking my 55g with 5 fancy goldfish in there?
It would give them 11g each. I am overfiltering, using a Fluval 404.
Was more concerned about the space they will have.

Secondly, will the other godfish eat the oranda's head growth? Does
every oranda have problems with the head growth covering its eyes?

Yes I'm a novice.
Thanks in advance
Mellie


I think that you have made a very, valid point albeit a little too
blunt...shame you didn't have the confidence to make it as yourself....

I totally agree that we should research our fish before making
purchases...however, that being said, how many of us still make the odd
impulse purchase...I do, and I'm pretty sure if you are honest with
yourself you do as well....it's part of our addiction (lol)...the fact
that the OP is asking the questions shows a willingness to learn and be
guided by those more experienced...I don't think any of us should knock
this...but should offer our experience to help things to a happy
conclusion....BTW I know nothing about goldfish nor will pretend
to...have the occasional hankering for a pond though....

Take care Roy

Gill

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"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Koi-Lo wrote:
Being up front as usual, are you sure your ready this time around
since you have been having all kind sof problems with fish with red
streaks etc etc etc........Its nice to be able to buy em but its
better to be able to keep em healthy and alive as well.

If you have to ask these types of questions then evidently you
certainly have not researched anything on these or the other fish....

On 8 Mar 2006 11:58:59 -0800, "Mellie101"
wrote:

Hi, please be blunt with me about this. I went to a local petstore a
few weeks ago and fell in love with a tiny oranda that they had in
there. Would I be overstocking my 55g with 5 fancy goldfish in there?
It would give them 11g each. I am overfiltering, using a Fluval 404.
Was more concerned about the space they will have.

Secondly, will the other godfish eat the oranda's head growth? Does
every oranda have problems with the head growth covering its eyes?

Yes I'm a novice.
Thanks in advance
Mellie


I think that you have made a very, valid point albeit a little too
blunt...shame you didn't have the confidence to make it as yourself....

I totally agree that we should research our fish before making
purchases...however, that being said, how many of us still make the odd
impulse purchase...I do, and I'm pretty sure if you are honest with
yourself you do as well...

I still do! :-) I bought that clown pleco and even the reasonably
knowledgeable women manager in the store didn't know how big they get. When
I got home and Googled them,... I went back and bought the second one she
had.

..it's part of our addiction (lol)...the fact
that the OP is asking the questions shows a willingness to learn and be
guided by those more experienced...

And I hope she keeps coming back and asking questions as she has been. She
will get differing opinions that will help her learn. I'm sure she is also
reading some websites in addition to coming here.

I don't think any of us should knock
this...but should offer our experience to help things to a happy
conclusion....BTW I know nothing about goldfish nor will pretend to...have
the occasional hankering for a pond though....

Take care Roy
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Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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So that wasn't Koi-Lo who made that blunt comment. Was a bit taken
aback.

I have done a fair bit of research. To the point that my husband
thinks I'm sad. I spend at least an hour a day reading up on whatever
material I can. Maybe this is the problem. There really is so much
conflicting information out there that I often feel my head spinning.
First you hear the a goldfish should have 1 gallon per inch of fish.
Then its 10+ gallons per fish. Then I read about the 1000 million
diseases that my fish might have, 2 million varities of medication that
I should use. Thats why I have been posting here as you guys seem
pretty consistant.

It is so frustrating when you do 2 water changes a week, feed your fish
a varied diet, your water checks are spot on and yet your fish are
covered in fungus. It is getting to me a bit. Especially when my
brother in law tells me about there 6 goldfish they have in a 20 gallon
tank that are thriving. He has never done a water test and changes the
water when he remembers.

So please don't judge me too harshly. I am putting so much time and
effort in here and just want to bang my head against a wall. As for
the oranda, I think if any of you had seen him then you might have
wanted him too. He was very orange with a little black moustache. So
cute.

Mellie

Mellie101 wrote:

It is so frustrating when you do 2 water changes a week, feed your fish
a varied diet, your water checks are spot on and yet your fish are
covered in fungus. It is getting to me a bit.

Hi Mellie,
I keep a few goldfish, plus a big tank of tropical fish with plants, and
I'm not an expert like some folks here truly are. However, my advice
after 40 years of fishkeeping is:

- Don't add more fish for many months yet.
- Keep up regular water changes (30-40% per week)/ gravel vacuuming/
gentle filter cleaning.
- Avoid medications or chemicals if at all possible. They typically
cause more harm than good. The exception, of course, is dechlorinator
for your make-up water if you're on a municipal system. Some
municipalities use chloramine (more persistent and toxic) and if so,
your dechlor should handle this.
- Feed regularly twice a day, but in moderate amount.

All my aquariums have had plants and I think they're important. However
they require enough light and nutrients, and apparently many
fish-keepers are successful without plants.

You'll hopefully find that after a time, the aquarium will seem to run
itself. You'll have to think hard to remeber when you ever had a sick
fish. Then it may be time to get another fish or two, or an additional
aquarium . Your goldfish can live a very long time - over a decade -
so the hobby requires a patient, long-term approach.

Steve

"Mellie101" wrote in message
oups.com...
So that wasn't Koi-Lo who made that blunt comment. Was a bit taken
aback.

No Millie, it was not me. That was a troll using my NYM. I'm so sorry if
you were offended.

I have done a fair bit of research. To the point that my husband
thinks I'm sad. I spend at least an hour a day reading up on whatever
material I can. Maybe this is the problem. There really is so much
conflicting information out there that I often feel my head spinning.

You and myself as well. Sometimes two people have totally different
experiences with the same fish, the same set-ups etc.

First you hear the a goldfish should have 1 gallon per inch of fish.
Then its 10+ gallons per fish. Then I read about the 1000 million
diseases that my fish might have, 2 million varities of medication that
I should use. Thats why I have been posting here as you guys seem
pretty consistant.

Just keep asking. We're here for you. :-) GF are prone to some problems
but so are all the other fish out there. I keep several types of
parasitacides (is that a word?) plus Furicin or Furinace on hand most of the
time.

It is so frustrating when you do 2 water changes a week, feed your fish
a varied diet, your water checks are spot on and yet your fish are
covered in fungus. It is getting to me a bit. Especially when my
brother in law tells me about there 6 goldfish they have in a 20 gallon
tank that are thriving. He has never done a water test and changes the
water when he remembers.

Holy COW! Six in a 20g tank?!?!?! Don't let it get to you. You'll get to
the bottom of this sooner or later. Keep using the Quick-Cure meanwhile.
Parasites can be behind much of your troubles. Of course I'm only guessing
that could be your fish's problem - but they do damage the slime coat and
allow other opportunistic pathogens in.

So please don't judge me too harshly. I am putting so much time and
effort in here and just want to bang my head against a wall. As for
the oranda, I think if any of you had seen him then you might have
wanted him too. He was very orange with a little black moustache. So
cute.

Perhaps the store will hold him for you until you've solved what the latest
problem is if you pay for him. Or buy him and put him in your small tank to
quarantine him - and treat him with the Quick-Cure as well. I'm convinced
that just about all fish from the stores are carrying a light load of
"bugs."
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria groups.
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