Taking DISEASED fish nback .... :*(

I called WM and they agreed to take back the lionheads with contagious-ulcer
disease. I know I'm bringing them to their death but nothing is helping. I
was through this once before when my koi came down with this about 5 years
ago. All died and the store replaced every one. Melafix did nothing.......

This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
*Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.*
rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Koi-Lo wrote:
I called WM and they agreed to take back the lionheads with
contagious-ulcer disease. I know I'm bringing them to their death but
nothing is helping. I was through this once before when my koi came
down with this about 5 years ago. All died and the store replaced every
one. Melafix did nothing.......

This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.

I am so, so sorry that it has ended this way :-( ...I remember your post
when you found the fish and how excited you were to find them...sadly
this is a regular occurance...me and my Neons...I know they are common
fish but I bought them with hope and a desire to do the best by
them...the same with Mr Gardener and his Angels (I still think there was
something wrong in the first place) and multiple other posters....

Ultimately I don't think it is the retail outlets that have the
issue...if they weren't supplied with sick fish in the first
place....there wouldn't be an issue. A lot of disease takes far longer
than is commercially viable to QT against....my LFS had the Neons for at
least 1-2 weeks in QT before selling them to me...I had them a further 4
weeks....

The issue is really the indiscriminate use of anti-biotics...it is
documented (but I would need to check sources) that it is common
practice for fish farms to routinely dose with anti-biotics but these
are not applied specifically to a certain bacteria....no wonder the
bacteria infecting the fish becomes resistant...then we have the whole
issue of hobbyists being able to self-diagnose and administer
anti-biotics in certain parts of the world (not possible in the
UK)...maybe a large percentage are responsible in applying medication
but I would hazard a guess that the majority cease treating once the
intial symptoms disappear....

It is not only about bacterial infections and fish becoming
resistant...it crosses over to people as well (not necessarily the
bacteria but the concept). Anti-biotics will only remain effective if
the bacteria is killed by them...once they develop a resistance we are
stuck...certainly different types of anti-biotics treat different
bacteria and where one is not effective another maybe...but the ad-hoc
application of these drugs (by fish farms, wholesalers, retailers and
eventually the hobbyiest) will make this worse....responsible fish
owners such as ourselves will become more and more frustrated...IMO the
only time antibiotics should be used is after cultures are taken and on
the say so of a vet/doctor...this would ensure that the correct bacteria
are targetted rather than someone trying to second guess...sadly you
have seen the implications of this...

The whole misuse of antibiotics and the effect of bacteria building up
resistance is a subject close to my heart....I nearly lost my daughter
at 10 months, because although I was assured that the anti-biotics were
treating her infection and then just as it hit crisis we found out that
she had one that was resistant to the treatment - probably through
misuse of these by others building bacteria that are resistant to
certain anti-biotics...I/she was lucky - we found another anti-biotic
that treated her successfully...but all the time we misuse these
medicines we run the risk not only to our fish but to ourselves of
creating resistant strains....

Gill getting off the soap box....

I'm truly sorry for what has happened and I'm not aiming this lecture at
you or anyone in particular. In fact I think I am expanding on your
statement "Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything." and
trying to explain why...

Gill

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:03:31 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Gill getting off the soap box....

Probably a good idea if you grabbed a little of that soap to clean up
your dirty mind.

-- Mister Gardener

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:03:31 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Koi-Lo wrote:
I called WM and they agreed to take back the lionheads with
contagious-ulcer disease. I know I'm bringing them to their death but
nothing is helping. I was through this once before when my koi came
down with this about 5 years ago. All died and the store replaced every
one. Melafix did nothing.......

This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.

I am so, so sorry that it has ended this way :-( ...I remember your post
when you found the fish and how excited you were to find them...sadly
this is a regular occurance...me and my Neons...I know they are common
fish but I bought them with hope and a desire to do the best by
them...the same with Mr Gardener and his Angels (I still think there was
something wrong in the first place) and multiple other posters....

Ultimately I don't think it is the retail outlets that have the
issue...if they weren't supplied with sick fish in the first
place....there wouldn't be an issue. A lot of disease takes far longer
than is commercially viable to QT against....my LFS had the Neons for at
least 1-2 weeks in QT before selling them to me...I had them a further 4
weeks....

The issue is really the indiscriminate use of anti-biotics...it is
documented (but I would need to check sources) that it is common
practice for fish farms to routinely dose with anti-biotics but these
are not applied specifically to a certain bacteria....no wonder the
bacteria infecting the fish becomes resistant...then we have the whole
issue of hobbyists being able to self-diagnose and administer
anti-biotics in certain parts of the world (not possible in the
UK)...maybe a large percentage are responsible in applying medication
but I would hazard a guess that the majority cease treating once the
intial symptoms disappear....

It is not only about bacterial infections and fish becoming
resistant...it crosses over to people as well (not necessarily the
bacteria but the concept). Anti-biotics will only remain effective if
the bacteria is killed by them...once they develop a resistance we are
stuck...certainly different types of anti-biotics treat different
bacteria and where one is not effective another maybe...but the ad-hoc
application of these drugs (by fish farms, wholesalers, retailers and
eventually the hobbyiest) will make this worse....responsible fish
owners such as ourselves will become more and more frustrated...IMO the
only time antibiotics should be used is after cultures are taken and on
the say so of a vet/doctor...this would ensure that the correct bacteria
are targetted rather than someone trying to second guess...sadly you
have seen the implications of this...

The whole misuse of antibiotics and the effect of bacteria building up
resistance is a subject close to my heart....I nearly lost my daughter
at 10 months, because although I was assured that the anti-biotics were
treating her infection and then just as it hit crisis we found out that
she had one that was resistant to the treatment - probably through
misuse of these by others building bacteria that are resistant to
certain anti-biotics...I/she was lucky - we found another anti-biotic
that treated her successfully...but all the time we misuse these
medicines we run the risk not only to our fish but to ourselves of
creating resistant strains....

Gill getting off the soap box....

I'm truly sorry for what has happened and I'm not aiming this lecture at
you or anyone in particular. In fact I think I am expanding on your
statement "Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything." and
trying to explain why...

Gill

Can we get back on topic now. (I just know that NetMax is going to be
needing a spill proof keyboard.)

You can extend the antibiotic abuse to the way we raise animals for
meat - we raise them in crowded barely tolerable conditions and load
them with antibiotics and hormones to keep them growing and disease
free. And we've become so focused on germs that we now add
bactericides to our dish soap, our nose tissues and even our bum
swipes! In the grocery store they dispense special wipes for the
handle of the grocery cart so we can't catch something from the person
that used the cart before us.

-- Mister Gardener

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:03:31 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:


Koi-Lo wrote:

I called WM and they agreed to take back the lionheads with
contagious-ulcer disease. I know I'm bringing them to their death but
nothing is helping. I was through this once before when my koi came
down with this about 5 years ago. All died and the store replaced every
one. Melafix did nothing.......

This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.

I am so, so sorry that it has ended this way :-( ...I remember your post
when you found the fish and how excited you were to find them...sadly
this is a regular occurance...me and my Neons...I know they are common
fish but I bought them with hope and a desire to do the best by
them...the same with Mr Gardener and his Angels (I still think there was
something wrong in the first place) and multiple other posters....

Ultimately I don't think it is the retail outlets that have the
issue...if they weren't supplied with sick fish in the first
place....there wouldn't be an issue. A lot of disease takes far longer
than is commercially viable to QT against....my LFS had the Neons for at
least 1-2 weeks in QT before selling them to me...I had them a further 4
weeks....

The issue is really the indiscriminate use of anti-biotics...it is
documented (but I would need to check sources) that it is common
practice for fish farms to routinely dose with anti-biotics but these
are not applied specifically to a certain bacteria....no wonder the
bacteria infecting the fish becomes resistant...then we have the whole
issue of hobbyists being able to self-diagnose and administer
anti-biotics in certain parts of the world (not possible in the
UK)...maybe a large percentage are responsible in applying medication
but I would hazard a guess that the majority cease treating once the
intial symptoms disappear....

It is not only about bacterial infections and fish becoming
resistant...it crosses over to people as well (not necessarily the
bacteria but the concept). Anti-biotics will only remain effective if
the bacteria is killed by them...once they develop a resistance we are
stuck...certainly different types of anti-biotics treat different
bacteria and where one is not effective another maybe...but the ad-hoc
application of these drugs (by fish farms, wholesalers, retailers and
eventually the hobbyiest) will make this worse....responsible fish
owners such as ourselves will become more and more frustrated...IMO the
only time antibiotics should be used is after cultures are taken and on
the say so of a vet/doctor...this would ensure that the correct bacteria
are targetted rather than someone trying to second guess...sadly you
have seen the implications of this...

The whole misuse of antibiotics and the effect of bacteria building up
resistance is a subject close to my heart....I nearly lost my daughter
at 10 months, because although I was assured that the anti-biotics were
treating her infection and then just as it hit crisis we found out that
she had one that was resistant to the treatment - probably through
misuse of these by others building bacteria that are resistant to
certain anti-biotics...I/she was lucky - we found another anti-biotic
that treated her successfully...but all the time we misuse these
medicines we run the risk not only to our fish but to ourselves of
creating resistant strains....

Gill getting off the soap box....

I'm truly sorry for what has happened and I'm not aiming this lecture at
you or anyone in particular. In fact I think I am expanding on your
statement "Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything." and
trying to explain why...

Gill


Can we get back on topic now. (I just know that NetMax is going to be
needing a spill proof keyboard.)

You can extend the antibiotic abuse to the way we raise animals for
meat - we raise them in crowded barely tolerable conditions and load
them with antibiotics and hormones to keep them growing and disease
free. And we've become so focused on germs that we now add
bactericides to our dish soap, our nose tissues and even our bum
swipes! In the grocery store they dispense special wipes for the
handle of the grocery cart so we can't catch something from the person
that used the cart before us.

-- Mister Gardener

Well I know that is slightly off-topic but it actually has a relevance
to our pets as well....my feeling, and one that I live by, is that a
certain amount of cleanliness is essential to protect against certain
disease - for example typhoid, cholera etc. etc. but if we over clean
and our immune system does not develop sufficiently to stave off the
bugs that we will meet day to day....I use very little anti-bacterial
products in my home (toilet cleaners, and some stuff for various kid/pet
accidents but no more). If we go providing a sterile environment for us,
our kids, and our pets then once we come into contact with anything our
immune systems will not be up to dealing with it....basic hygeine
fine...washing hands etc and keeping things clean but destroying every
single germ/bacteria I don't really hold with...(and if I understand
various marketing stuff correctly (tongue in cheek I believe it goes
further than that) certain bacteria are good for the well being of all
live creatures. I hope I won't get proven wrong but I understand that
our children are more prone to bacterial infections since the use of
these products than they were before...same might go for our fish...the
immune system of all of us be we human, furry or scaled is our biggest
natural defence...which is our immune system...any weakening of this has
to be bad...

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:08:04 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:03:31 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:


Koi-Lo wrote:

I called WM and they agreed to take back the lionheads with
contagious-ulcer disease. I know I'm bringing them to their death but
nothing is helping. I was through this once before when my koi came
down with this about 5 years ago. All died and the store replaced every
one. Melafix did nothing.......

This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.

I am so, so sorry that it has ended this way :-( ...I remember your post
when you found the fish and how excited you were to find them...sadly
this is a regular occurance...me and my Neons...I know they are common
fish but I bought them with hope and a desire to do the best by
them...the same with Mr Gardener and his Angels (I still think there was
something wrong in the first place) and multiple other posters....

Ultimately I don't think it is the retail outlets that have the
issue...if they weren't supplied with sick fish in the first
place....there wouldn't be an issue. A lot of disease takes far longer
than is commercially viable to QT against....my LFS had the Neons for at
least 1-2 weeks in QT before selling them to me...I had them a further 4
weeks....

The issue is really the indiscriminate use of anti-biotics...it is
documented (but I would need to check sources) that it is common
practice for fish farms to routinely dose with anti-biotics but these
are not applied specifically to a certain bacteria....no wonder the
bacteria infecting the fish becomes resistant...then we have the whole
issue of hobbyists being able to self-diagnose and administer
anti-biotics in certain parts of the world (not possible in the
UK)...maybe a large percentage are responsible in applying medication
but I would hazard a guess that the majority cease treating once the
intial symptoms disappear....

It is not only about bacterial infections and fish becoming
resistant...it crosses over to people as well (not necessarily the
bacteria but the concept). Anti-biotics will only remain effective if
the bacteria is killed by them...once they develop a resistance we are
stuck...certainly different types of anti-biotics treat different
bacteria and where one is not effective another maybe...but the ad-hoc
application of these drugs (by fish farms, wholesalers, retailers and
eventually the hobbyiest) will make this worse....responsible fish
owners such as ourselves will become more and more frustrated...IMO the
only time antibiotics should be used is after cultures are taken and on
the say so of a vet/doctor...this would ensure that the correct bacteria
are targetted rather than someone trying to second guess...sadly you
have seen the implications of this...

The whole misuse of antibiotics and the effect of bacteria building up
resistance is a subject close to my heart....I nearly lost my daughter
at 10 months, because although I was assured that the anti-biotics were
treating her infection and then just as it hit crisis we found out that
she had one that was resistant to the treatment - probably through
misuse of these by others building bacteria that are resistant to
certain anti-biotics...I/she was lucky - we found another anti-biotic
that treated her successfully...but all the time we misuse these
medicines we run the risk not only to our fish but to ourselves of
creating resistant strains....

Gill getting off the soap box....

I'm truly sorry for what has happened and I'm not aiming this lecture at
you or anyone in particular. In fact I think I am expanding on your
statement "Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything." and
trying to explain why...

Gill


Can we get back on topic now. (I just know that NetMax is going to be
needing a spill proof keyboard.)

You can extend the antibiotic abuse to the way we raise animals for
meat - we raise them in crowded barely tolerable conditions and load
them with antibiotics and hormones to keep them growing and disease
free. And we've become so focused on germs that we now add
bactericides to our dish soap, our nose tissues and even our bum
swipes! In the grocery store they dispense special wipes for the
handle of the grocery cart so we can't catch something from the person
that used the cart before us.

-- Mister Gardener

Well I know that is slightly off-topic but it actually has a relevance
to our pets as well....my feeling, and one that I live by, is that a
certain amount of cleanliness is essential to protect against certain
disease - for example typhoid, cholera etc. etc. but if we over clean
and our immune system does not develop sufficiently to stave off the
bugs that we will meet day to day....I use very little anti-bacterial
products in my home (toilet cleaners, and some stuff for various kid/pet
accidents but no more). If we go providing a sterile environment for us,
our kids, and our pets then once we come into contact with anything our
immune systems will not be up to dealing with it....basic hygeine
fine...washing hands etc and keeping things clean but destroying every
single germ/bacteria I don't really hold with...(and if I understand
various marketing stuff correctly (tongue in cheek I believe it goes
further than that) certain bacteria are good for the well being of all
live creatures. I hope I won't get proven wrong but I understand that
our children are more prone to bacterial infections since the use of
these products than they were before...same might go for our fish...the
immune system of all of us be we human, furry or scaled is our biggest
natural defence...which is our immune system...any weakening of this has
to be bad...
Yes. You took the words right out of my keyboard. Which I have not, by
the way, wiped with one of those keyboard wipers. It has been said
that someday bacteria will take over the world, hell, they don't need
to take it over, we're giving it to them gift wrapped. After washing
our hands, of course.

-- Mister Gardener

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Koi-Lo wrote:
I called WM and they agreed to take back the lionheads with
contagious-ulcer disease. I know I'm bringing them to their death but
nothing is helping. I was through this once before when my koi came down
with this about 5 years ago. All died and the store replaced every one.
Melafix did nothing.......

This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.

I am so, so sorry that it has ended this way :-( ...I remember your post
when you found the fish and how excited you were to find them...sadly this
is a regular occurance...me and my Neons...I know they are common fish but
I bought them with hope and a desire to do the best by them...the same
with Mr Gardener and his Angels (I still think there was something wrong
in the first place) and multiple other posters....

Ultimately I don't think it is the retail outlets that have the issue...if
they weren't supplied with sick fish in the first place....there wouldn't
be an issue. A lot of disease takes far longer than is commercially viable
to QT against....my LFS had the Neons for at least 1-2 weeks in QT before
selling them to me...I had them a further 4 weeks....

The issue is really the indiscriminate use of anti-biotics...it is
documented (but I would need to check sources) that it is common practice
for fish farms to routinely dose with anti-biotics but these are not
applied specifically to a certain bacteria....no wonder the bacteria
infecting the fish becomes resistant...then we have the whole issue of
hobbyists being able to self-diagnose and administer anti-biotics in
certain parts of the world (not possible in the UK)...maybe a large
percentage are responsible in applying medication but I would hazard a
guess that the majority cease treating once the intial symptoms
disappear....

It is not only about bacterial infections and fish becoming resistant...it
crosses over to people as well (not necessarily the bacteria but the
concept). Anti-biotics will only remain effective if the bacteria is
killed by them...once they develop a resistance we are stuck...certainly
different types of anti-biotics treat different bacteria and where one is
not effective another maybe...but the ad-hoc application of these drugs
(by fish farms, wholesalers, retailers and eventually the hobbyiest) will
make this worse....responsible fish owners such as ourselves will become
more and more frustrated...IMO the only time antibiotics should be used is
after cultures are taken and on the say so of a vet/doctor...this would
ensure that the correct bacteria are targetted rather than someone trying
to second guess...sadly you have seen the implications of this...

The whole misuse of antibiotics and the effect of bacteria building up
resistance is a subject close to my heart....I nearly lost my daughter at
10 months, because although I was assured that the anti-biotics were
treating her infection and then just as it hit crisis we found out that
she had one that was resistant to the treatment - probably through misuse
of these by others building bacteria that are resistant to certain
anti-biotics...I/she was lucky - we found another anti-biotic that treated
her successfully...but all the time we misuse these medicines we run the
risk not only to our fish but to ourselves of creating resistant
strains....

Gill getting off the soap box....

I'm truly sorry for what has happened and I'm not aiming this lecture at
you or anyone in particular. In fact I think I am expanding on your
statement "Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything." and
trying to explain why...

Gill


Gill, not to go off subject but responding to the antibiotic situation w/
your child, unfortunaly it is so common, probably all over the world, its a
blanket drug for doctors sometimes when they are not sure what is wrong, and
most people treat going to the doctors office like visiting the store they
go and say "I have... so I need" and most doctors will just write for it. I
dealt with a similar situation w/ my son Luke when he was a few months, and
we went though many antibiotics to get him better he ended up being in the
hospital for a month and half w/ long term damage from it. I worked at
children's hospital for several years and it was apparent why when every
parent called to ask if the doc could just call them in an antibiotic for
their kid with out being seen, because they knew what was wrong....and the
bad part was on occasion he did it.
nik

Will you get a replacement or get your money back? Are you concerned about
who they are getting their fish from, I guess what I am asking is since they
more then likely get them from the same place often and its a contiguous
disease is it likely more of the fish they get will be infected
Nik
I found my female betta's and was suprised when the store agreed to keep
them for at least a week in QT for me. I might stick with this place.



"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
...
I called WM and they agreed to take back the lionheads with
contagious-ulcer disease. I know I'm bringing them to their death but
nothing is helping. I was through this once before when my koi came down
with this about 5 years ago. All died and the store replaced every one.
Melafix did nothing.......

This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
*Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on the Aquaria Groups.*
rec.pond's FAQ are at: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Koi-Lo wrote:
This is such a virulent strain that even Koi-Zyme, then Furanace made no
difference. Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything.
=============
I am so, so sorry that it has ended this way :-( ...I remember your post
when you found the fish and how excited you were to find them..

Yes, I should have known better. They were the 1st calico's I had seen and
they were too good a quality for a WM store. I suspect someone knew
something....... this disease doesn't just pop-up by itself out of
nowhere.

..sadly
this is a regular occurance...me and my Neons...I know they are common
fish but I bought them with hope and a desire to do the best by them...the
same with Mr Gardener and his Angels (I still think there was something
wrong in the first place) and multiple other posters....

I agree. We can never know until we bring them home and some days pass.
Then SURPRISE .... suddenly they're dying, covered in parasites,
fin-rot or ulcers.

Ultimately I don't think it is the retail outlets that have the issue...if
they weren't supplied with sick fish in the first place....

THERE YOU GO!!!! And nothing is done to the wholesalers or breeders. From
what I've seen (and heard) when they have a problem they start to UNLOAD the
fish quickly and cheaply before they reach the point of death or are too bad
off to sell. I'm also remembering all the "high quality" GF and koi that
appeared on the market when "ulcer disease" was common in the late 90s.
Where they just "unloading" them? Now I'm not saying all wholesalers or
breeders are disreputable individuals but it makes me wonder about the
minority who are....... It's to WMs credit they took them back and
refunded my money. The man said they have a "sick tank" and that's where
they'll go (to die I'm sure).

there wouldn't be an issue. A lot of disease takes far longer
than is commercially viable to QT against....my LFS had the Neons for at
least 1-2 weeks in QT before selling them to me...I had them a further 4
weeks....

Right. There's no way to know what they were exposed to between the point
of origin and your tank. I am now paranoid that I may have
cross-contaminated another tank.

The issue is really the indiscriminate use of anti-biotics...it is
documented (but I would need to check sources) that it is common practice
for fish farms to routinely dose with anti-biotics but these are not
applied specifically to a certain bacteria....no wonder the bacteria
infecting the fish becomes resistant...

In the USA it's happening with most of the antibiotics - many are now
useless for anything. Tetracycline was a wonder-worker at one time. It was
so overused in people and livestock it's worthless.

then we have the whole
issue of hobbyists being able to self-diagnose and administer anti-biotics
in certain parts of the world (not possible in the UK)...maybe a large
percentage are responsible in applying medication but I would hazard a
guess that the majority cease treating once the intial symptoms
disappear....

It is not only about bacterial infections and fish becoming resistant...it
crosses over to people as well (not necessarily the bacteria but the
concept). Anti-biotics will only remain effective if the bacteria is
killed by them...once they develop a resistance we are stuck...certainly
different types of anti-biotics treat different bacteria and where one is
not effective another maybe...but the ad-hoc application of these drugs
(by fish farms, wholesalers, retailers and eventually the hobbyiest) will
make this worse...

I agree with you 100%. I told them what I used to treat these fish but have
no idea what they'll do with them.

..responsible fish
owners such as ourselves will become more and more frustrated...IMO the
only time antibiotics should be used is after cultures are taken and on
the say so of a vet/doctor...this would ensure that the correct bacteria
are targetted rather than someone trying to second guess...sadly you have
seen the implications of this...

And it can only get worse. The bottom line rules where livestock are
concerned.

The whole misuse of antibiotics and the effect of bacteria building up
resistance is a subject close to my heart....I nearly lost my daughter at
10 months, because although I was assured that the anti-biotics were
treating her infection and then just as it hit crisis we found out that
she had one that was resistant to the treatment - probably through misuse
of these by others building bacteria that are resistant to certain
anti-biotics...I/she was lucky - we found another anti-biotic that treated
her successfully...but all the time we misuse these medicines we run the
risk not only to our fish but to ourselves of creating resistant
strains....

Gill getting off the soap box....

Very well said.

I'm truly sorry for what has happened and I'm not aiming this lecture at
you or anyone in particular. In fact I think I am expanding on your
statement "Bacterial diseases are becoming immune to everything." and
trying to explain why...

And you did an excellent job! When I saw the competing bacteria in Koi-Zyme
wasn't making any difference, then no difference with Furinace (broad
spectrum antibiotic) I realized this was one of those bacteria resistant to
"everything" including the other bacteria competitors. It was time to pick
up the phone........
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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I hope I won't get proven wrong but I understand that
our children are more prone to bacterial infections since the use of these
products than they were before...same might go for our fish...the immune
system of all of us be we human, furry or scaled is our biggest natural
defence...which is our immune system...any weakening of this has to be
bad...
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Gill, my son was born in the mid-60s. He was sick twice before the age of
21. He had Roseola as a baby and ran a low-grade fever for a day or two.
He caught a nasty virus-cold when he was about 10 yrs old and had to get a
shot and some antibiotics to fight off the opportunistic bacteria that took
advantage of the situation (some kind of bronchitis). He was coughing for
at least 2 weeks. I think he only has something like 3 cavities in his
teeth now as an adult. I was very, very lucky! He just saw the Dr for
shots as the school required.

In those days no one was into watching everything a child touched, didn't
worry about every scratch and abrasion......
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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
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