Baby Bettas - Day 6

NetMax wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Jamie Drilling wrote:
Tynk wrote:
Jamie Drilling wrote:
Tynk wrote:

Jamie, you never said if you did the research yet about raising
Betta
fry.

yes, bettatalk.com has an excellent reference.

What's the tank's temp at now?

80 F

How do you plan on keeping the air above the tank (in between the
tank's hood and water's surface) warm and very humid?

I have a glass lid between water and lights, lights generate heat
(actually raising the tank temp 2 degrees/day) and cause water to
evaporate and condense on the glass. I don't think this will be an
issue.

If they reach the 2month mark, where are you going to house all the
male fry?

1/2 gallon mason jars. Yay Walmart!

I also seem to have weird little bugs laying their eggs in the
ater -
the eggs aren't visible but the larvae are (wiggly wormy things). I'm
wondering if the babies can eat these eggs.... Their da says the
larvae are delectable.

Anyway so far everything is going well.

Jamie
Ok..sounds like the tank's surface air will be covered. At the month
mark is a crucial time. If they breathe in chilly air while their
labyrinths organs are developing, it'll kill them.
So I don't know how you're going to manage to do water changes during
this time.
Being a cycling tank, that will be a problem. You were already having
ammonia issue, right.
Not knowing what these eggs are, I cannot say.
Also, not knowing what "bugs" they are, I would advise you to do a
search and figure it out.
Some larvae of bugs are quite vicious and would eat those fry. (think
dragonfly larva and you'll know what I mean).
Keep a close eye on the bellies of the fry. They should be fat little
porkers at all times.
You'll be able to see whether or not their is food in their bellies.
It's easily seen through their flesh and make sure they all have fat
bellies. If neither is the case, they're not eating and the food is too
large.
Let me know if this is the case. You said you couldn't find frozen baby
brine, and I do not recommend using boiled egg yolk, but I'm pretty
sure you could easily find Brine Shrimp eggs that I can explain how to
decapsulate to that youcan feed them directly to the fry without
hatching the brine.
Good job so far.


Tiny nit-pic, labyrinth development starts at week 3 if water is 80F
(later if water is colder). I've read that the water should be kept at
6" (till week 2), and then raised 1 or 2" at a time, with some effort to
keep the protein layer minimized with an airstone (if that helps).
--
www.NetMax.tk

Tiny nit-pic, labyrinth development starts at week 3 if water is 80F
(later if water is colder). I've read that the water should be kept at
6" (till week 2), and then raised 1 or 2" at a time, with some effort to
keep the protein layer minimized with an airstone (if that helps).
--
www.NetMax.tk

I guess not all Betta read books. = )~
Of course there are some that will start to go up to the surface around
the 3 week mark, but many at the 4th week. Personally, I keep the
surface air warm and humid from the 2 week mark just to be sure.
My temp in the fry tank never goes below 80*f.
You are absolutely correct about the water level being kept about
6"...I recommend between 4-6". As with all breeders each has their own
thing and I do not raise the water level until all are using their
labyrinth organs on a regular basis. Otherwise it would be too much
effort for the little stragglers.
Also, I don't get a protien layer, as I always have a small sponge
filter running at a very low rate. Just enough to keep the nitrifying
bacteria alive, some mechanical filtration and a very gentle surface
aggitation. Not enough to disturb a bubble nest, but enough to do the
above.
Without the sponge filter going, then there would in deed be a nasty
film at the top. Something that could interfere with the fry being able
to get a gulp of air if it were too thick.
Being that Jamie has them in a net breeder near the surface, and these
things are usually between 4-6 deep themselves, it might work out ok
for the few fry that they have.

Tynk wrote:
Jamie Drilling wrote:
Tynk wrote:
Jamie Drilling wrote:
Tynk wrote:

Jamie, you never said if you did the research yet about raising Betta
fry.

yes, bettatalk.com has an excellent reference.

What's the tank's temp at now?

80 F

How do you plan on keeping the air above the tank (in between the
tank's hood and water's surface) warm and very humid?

I have a glass lid between water and lights, lights generate heat
(actually raising the tank temp 2 degrees/day) and cause water to
evaporate and condense on the glass. I don't think this will be an
issue.

If they reach the 2month mark, where are you going to house all the
male fry?

1/2 gallon mason jars. Yay Walmart!

I also seem to have weird little bugs laying their eggs in the water -
the eggs aren't visible but the larvae are (wiggly wormy things). I'm
wondering if the babies can eat these eggs.... Their da says the
larvae are delectable.

Anyway so far everything is going well.

Jamie

So I don't know how you're going to manage to do water changes during
this time.
Being a cycling tank, that will be a problem. You were already having
ammonia issue, right.

I'm slightly worried about this as well. Ammonia is only .25 ppm but
higher than I would like for the babies. (I'm going to name them all,
hee-hee). I'm going to try a 10% water change tonight, siphoning the
water out with my python but replacing water with declorinated 80 F
from buckets.

Not knowing what these eggs are, I cannot say.
Also, not knowing what "bugs" they are, I would advise you to do a
search and figure it out.
Some larvae of bugs are quite vicious and would eat those fry. (think
dragonfly larva and you'll know what I mean).

They are small and green, and they can stand on the water surface but
not well - if you poke them or the water around them they're
immediately water logged and drown.

The larvae look like giant microworms.

Keep a close eye on the bellies of the fry. They should be fat little
porkers at all times.
You'll be able to see whether or not their is food in their bellies.
It's easily seen through their flesh and make sure they all have fat
bellies. If neither is the case, they're not eating and the food is too
large.

For a while they seemed to eat crushed flake food, but then I powdered
some fancy betta pellets; now I only see darting and chomping for the
second, far more labor intensive food. :\ Their tummies seem to be
approximately the size of one of their eyeballs, is this good enough?

Let me know if this is the case. You said you couldn't find frozen baby
brine, and I do not recommend using boiled egg yolk, but I'm pretty
sure you could easily find Brine Shrimp eggs that I can explain how to
decapsulate to that youcan feed them directly to the fry without
hatching the brine.
Good job so far.

Thanks. And I would really appreciate instructions for decapsulating
brine shrimp eggs.... Variety in their diet can't hurt.

On a side note, I mail-ordered some contortion val for the tank; Tony
is very curious about these and has also blown a new bubble nest. Not
this time, buddy. The Blue Girl is staying in her own tank.

Jamie =)

Originally Posted by Jamie Drilling

All of the babies have been scooped into a net breeder using a cup
measure--they were free swimming when I got home from work yesterday,
and Tony had probably eaten 3/4ths of his family.

The microworm culture I bought died (as did one of the cory cats I have
in a 10 gallon, everything purchased from a very well-reputed lfs. :|
) So the babies are eating flake food crushed into a powder--as far
as I can tell they really are eating it, so maybe this will work.

I think I'll try this again but do it right next time!

Jamie

Helo Guys! I am new to this and just started to breed my bettas. My betta babies have just hatched about a week ago, so far so good. I am afraid to clean their tank or move them. My male has eaten most of them. How can I do this without losing the last 6 I have?

Thanks, Deanna

Well whoppie dooooooo, what do 9yu expect from this group a medal or
somethng. Can't you see were busy here with an asshole named CArol
Gulley aka Koi Lo and do not have time to diddle around with your
questions. Flush the fish save on a headache.....now go away, come
back another day when its not so busy. If yur reallay unlucky CArol
aka Koi Lo will throw in a stupid ass canned reply that she copy
pasted from some website on the web she found..just as well as you can
do a search for yuor self, or are we just being lazy tonight.



On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:17:45 +0100, deanna
wrote:

Jamie Drilling Wrote:
All of the babies have been scooped into a net breeder using a cup
measure--they were free swimming when I got home from work yesterday,
and Tony had probably eaten 3/4ths of his family.

The microworm culture I bought died (as did one of the cory cats I
have
in a 10 gallon, everything purchased from a very well-reputed lfs. :|
) So the babies are eating flake food crushed into a powder--as far
as I can tell they really are eating it, so maybe this will work.

I think I'll try this again but do it right next time!

Jamie

Helo Guys! I am new to this and just started to breed my bettas. My
betta babies have just hatched about a week ago, so far so good. I am
afraid to clean their tank or move them. My male has eaten most of
them. How can I do this without losing the last 6 I have?

Thanks, Deanna

"deanna" wrote in message
...
Helo Guys! I am new to this and just started to breed my bettas. My
betta babies have just hatched about a week ago, so far so good. I am
afraid to clean their tank or move them. My male has eaten most of
them. How can I do this without losing the last 6 I have?

Thanks, Deanna
==================================
Most people remove the male as soon as possible - before he eats the babies.
Take him out as soon as possible!
--
Koi-Lo....
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Is that called withdrawal, just like the catholics practice carol?
What was your sons excuse then?



On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:27:52 -0500, "Koi-Lo" Reply to NG Only wrote:

"deanna" wrote in message
. ..
Helo Guys! I am new to this and just started to breed my bettas. My
betta babies have just hatched about a week ago, so far so good. I am
afraid to clean their tank or move them. My male has eaten most of
them. How can I do this without losing the last 6 I have?

Thanks, Deanna
==================================
Most people remove the male as soon as possible - before he eats the babies.
Take him out as soon as possible!

Koi-LoReply to NG Onlywrote:

.

Ignorant one.

Most people remove the male as soon as possible - before he eats the
babies.

People think they have to memorise everything.

Take him out as soon as possible!

Over nothing.

I'm sorry. I often get lost in my own thoughts.

How entlightening, Koi-Lo.

--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
I do not post from Earthlink.net
All rude and/or obscene messages posted in my
name are by my impersonator.
~~~~ ((((* ~~~ {{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*}

Once the babies are free swimming the male has to be removed, or as you seen
they end up being a snack. If you can get another microworm culture that is
best for them to eat, or maybe live or frozen BBS, are you sure your culture
was dead, mine will last some time and you can start a new one with the old
one before it dies, look at it in the light to see if any thing is moving.
Feed small amounts several times a day, but its best to have some live,
small food. Keep temp around 80, keep water very clean. I use a turkey
baster to get stuff from the bottom of their tank, old food or what ever
else is there. I am not sure why your cory cat died or what tank it was in
so i am not sure what to tell you about that, was it with the betta's or in
another tank?
NIk

http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium


"deanna" wrote in message
...

Jamie Drilling Wrote:
All of the babies have been scooped into a net breeder using a cup
measure--they were free swimming when I got home from work yesterday,
and Tony had probably eaten 3/4ths of his family.

The microworm culture I bought died (as did one of the cory cats I
have
in a 10 gallon, everything purchased from a very well-reputed lfs. :|
) So the babies are eating flake food crushed into a powder--as far
as I can tell they really are eating it, so maybe this will work.

I think I'll try this again but do it right next time!

Jamie

Helo Guys! I am new to this and just started to breed my bettas. My
betta babies have just hatched about a week ago, so far so good. I am
afraid to clean their tank or move them. My male has eaten most of
them. How can I do this without losing the last 6 I have?

Thanks, Deanna


--
deanna

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:38:26 -0400, "Nikki"
Go back to yur safe secure comfy google group Nikki..........Stay away
from where the big league plays. Or your sensitivity is apt to get
bruised.




wrote:
Once the babies are free swimming the male has to be removed, or as you seen
they end up being a snack. If you can get another microworm culture that is
best for them to eat, or maybe live or frozen BBS, are you sure your culture
was dead, mine will last some time and you can start a new one with the old
one before it dies, look at it in the light to see if any thing is moving.
Feed small amounts several times a day, but its best to have some live,
small food. Keep temp around 80, keep water very clean. I use a turkey
baster to get stuff from the bottom of their tank, old food or what ever
else is there. I am not sure why your cory cat died or what tank it was in
so i am not sure what to tell you about that, was it with the betta's or in
another tank?
NIk

http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium


"deanna" wrote in message
. ..

Jamie Drilling Wrote:
All of the babies have been scooped into a net breeder using a cup
measure--they were free swimming when I got home from work yesterday,
and Tony had probably eaten 3/4ths of his family.

The microworm culture I bought died (as did one of the cory cats I
have
in a 10 gallon, everything purchased from a very well-reputed lfs. :|
) So the babies are eating flake food crushed into a powder--as far
as I can tell they really are eating it, so maybe this will work.

I think I'll try this again but do it right next time!

Jamie

Helo Guys! I am new to this and just started to breed my bettas. My
betta babies have just hatched about a week ago, so far so good. I am
afraid to clean their tank or move them. My male has eaten most of
them. How can I do this without losing the last 6 I have?

Thanks, Deanna


--
deanna

Hi Roy ;-)
I'm sure i can handle it. You have a nice day...
Nik




"-Roy-" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:38:26 -0400, "Nikki"
Go back to yur safe secure comfy google group Nikki..........Stay away
from where the big league plays. Or your sensitivity is apt to get
bruised.




wrote:
Once the babies are free swimming the male has to be removed, or as you
seen
they end up being a snack. If you can get another microworm culture
that is
best for them to eat, or maybe live or frozen BBS, are you sure your
culture
was dead, mine will last some time and you can start a new one with the
old
one before it dies, look at it in the light to see if any thing is
moving.
Feed small amounts several times a day, but its best to have some live,
small food. Keep temp around 80, keep water very clean. I use a turkey
baster to get stuff from the bottom of their tank, old food or what
ever
else is there. I am not sure why your cory cat died or what tank it
was in
so i am not sure what to tell you about that, was it with the betta's
or in
another tank?
NIk

http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium


"deanna" wrote in message
...

Jamie Drilling Wrote:
All of the babies have been scooped into a net breeder using a cup
measure--they were free swimming when I got home from work
yesterday,
and Tony had probably eaten 3/4ths of his family.

The microworm culture I bought died (as did one of the cory cats I
have
in a 10 gallon, everything purchased from a very well-reputed lfs.
:|
) So the babies are eating flake food crushed into a powder--as far
as I can tell they really are eating it, so maybe this will work.

I think I'll try this again but do it right next time!

Jamie

Helo Guys! I am new to this and just started to breed my bettas. My
betta babies have just hatched about a week ago, so far so good. I
am
afraid to clean their tank or move them. My male has eaten most of
them. How can I do this without losing the last 6 I have?

Thanks, Deanna


--
deanna