Someone explain reason behind this

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"cat daddy" wrote in message
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In the US, ethoxyquin, manufactured by Monsanto, is required by law
to be used as a preservative in fish destined for the pet food industry.

Are you maybe talking about dog/cat food ?

Issues with dog and cat food lead to my discovering this federal law
requiring ethoxyquin in fish products sold for pet food. The law supposedly
also states that this carcinogen need not be listed, especially if it's
added to an ingredient that the manufacturer buys from a third party.

I am talking about frozen krill and frozen ocean plankton.
The kinds I buy are made by San Francisco Bay:
http://www.sfbb.com/frozen.asp

For example: "Frozen Krill"
List of ingredients: Krill ----- 100%

Ethoxyquin is not listed on the package. Care to comment ?

http://www.crabbytalk.com/?p=95

http://narscrabjournal.blogspot.com/...-other-hc.html

http://www.pacificpondsplus.com/koi_food.htm
Satori Koi Food lists ethoxyquin

http://www.michiganreefers.com/forum...p?t-32586.html
Omega One Sal****er Tropical Fish Marine Flakes lists ethoxyquin

You can also google "ethoxyquin, fish food" and "ethoxyquin, krill" to
see the variety of fish foods that contain ethoxyquin.

The reason behind using SW food with SW fauna is its components.
A sal****er fish needs proteins and other nutrients in a specific ratio.
They evolved obtaining those nutrients in a certain ratio that is default in
SW food.
Is like feeding Eucalyptus leafs to a Panda and Bamboo leafs to a Koala.
Each leaf contains the necessary nutrients to feed either animal; but...
Pandas evolved a digestive system specific to Bamboo leafs and this system
is waiting for the ratio of nutrients found only in this leafs.
Same goes with Koalas, they only feed in Eucalyptus leafs.
Will Koalas survive in a diet of processed and compressed Bamboo leafs?
probably but will be subject to malnutrition. Same with Pandas.
I know, these examples are a little exaggeration but serve to explain the
importance of feeding the proper food to our species.

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease
prevention point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional
requirements differ....

There is no dilema!
Deep frozen stuff you buy for your fish
is pathogen free and safe to feed to your pets...
Unless you feed live foods you should be perfectly fine.
The best food for marine animals is marine in origin.

Why is it you're not trashing this group Tristan? Why are you only trashing
the other aquarium groups? What's the rational behind it? What's the reason?
Inquiring minds would like to know. Is it because Granny and the Gail don't
post here by any chance?

"Tristan" wrote in message
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I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
not used to.

So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt water
fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time reasoning
with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.

I have fed what I wanted to feed all the time and as long as the fish
etc eat what I give them thats fine.......and have never had problems.
So whats everyone else's take on this? I have a bunch of cichlids that
will tear up my home brew frozen SW ifsh food which is mainly chopped
and diced and pureeded shrimp, krill, mysid, scallops, clams and
muscles and squid and assorted what ever is cheapest at the time some
kind of SW fish.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

We never had a problem on the other aquarium groups until you came along and
trashed our groups. Why is that Tristan? Why trash several other groups and
not this one? What's different about this group? Why do you feel the other
groups don't deserve peace but this one does? Tell us why you troll the
other groups and not this one.


"Tristan" wrote in message
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Your way of thinking is also how I view it. Seems some online web
based forums do not view it that way....After all thats the reasoning
used behind hyposalinity with SW fish to rid a fish of parasites etc,
introduce it to FW so organisms are killed off........Add salt to FW
so those organisms are killed off..on FW fish etc.....All I know is I
have never had problems with what I feed to who so I guess there is
no need to change or modify it.



On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:31:41 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Tristan wrote:
I have always been told never to feed freshwater fish..sal****er
foods, and never to feed sal****er fish freshwater foods...be it
frozen or prepared items. Was always told its to keep from
introducing foreign critters into the environemnt that the fish are
not used to.

Actually I always heard it the other way round - feed SW to FW and FW
to
SW....because the pathogens for SW cannot survive in FW and vice
versa...



So whats the difference when it comes to feeding brine shrimp or
krill or any other number of frozen foods that say Fresh or salt
water
fish on them. I often acclimate mollys or guppies to SW and feed
varous SW fish live foods. Last I read sw micro organisms do not
survive in FW anbd visa versa, so I am having a hard time reasoning
with the no to feed sw to fw etc etc.

See above....looks like we have heard the same thing....

Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other posters. Why
is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune from your
attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond, goldfish and
misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy Tristan, for
destroying all those other groups. You even invaded the rose group to get to
your victim Gail. If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop
calling the women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit
suicide as you did Ed Alston?


"Tristan" wrote in message
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Dunno, but I have a hard time beliveing that food stuff harvested from
FW or SW is really handled so that it is not a cesspool of pathogens
fron setting in the sun, becoming warm etc etc., Afterall its a fish
etc that is eating it, and who could tell one way or another if lousy
substance was indeed the problem, or how it was handled or how it was
stored and handled by vendor.......there is a long list of "what ifs"
in regards to decent food.....Heck we all know food destined for human
consumption is also not handled properly.........nor is feed stuff
intended for cows and other domestic critters made and stored
properly....
My wife is always condeming trailer loads of foods destined for
grocery stores all due to handling issues........so we can allpretty
well assure outselves pet foods are probably a deplorable
substance....then again animals can usually tolerate foods that a
human being could not dream of eating.........so maybe short of
nutrion its all not worth while being concerned with if your buying
spoiled frozen or stuff thats worth the price they ask.

I guess I will go on with making and feeding my home brew SW foods,
and also feed it to those FW fish that will eat it.....supplement what
I make with decent brand name at least pelleted feeds on both ends FW
and SW.
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:22:13 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:


The problem with feeding foods from different environment is
in my opinion related more to nutrition composition - feeding
freshwater animals to marine predators would probably cause
malnutrition since freshwater foods did not grow eating marine
plankton but rather terrestial plants, insects, fruits - different
food chain. Marine fish should eat marine foods rich in fatty
acids and nutrients found in the sea not terrestial plants, right?


Absolutely so here is the dilemma....on one hand it is good to feed FW
stuff from SW and SW good from FW from a pathogen and disease
prevention
point of view...but on the other hand the nutritional requirements
differ....so if you feed FW fish exclusively on stuff from SW then you
are storing up health problems with liver/kidney/mineral
deficiency...and if you feed SW exclusively a freshwater diet you are
depriving them of the high protein diet and the type of plant matter
they can naturally digest....

Now logic would actually suggest that FW eat FW stuff and SW eat SW
stuff....but there are a number of articles that suggest that this is
the wrong way to go in terms of controlling disease and
pathogens....but
nutritionally it doesn't make sense....

So by following this doctorate are we actually shortening the lives of
our fish and critters by protecting them from disease in the short
term
only to get long term health issues? Or should we actually be
concentrating on finding healthy foodstuffs free of pathogens for both
our freshwater and sal****er buddies?

Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

wrote:

I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other
posters.

Don't kill yourself.

Why is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune
from your attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond,
goldfish and misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy
Tristan, for destroying all those other groups.

I am not a troll, Finzeo. You however, are a ****chop.

You even invaded the rose group to get to your victim Gail.

My parents had sex. Isn't that the way it happens?

If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop calling the
women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit suicide as
you did Ed Alston?

I did? Where, allegedly, Finzeo?

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You shouldn't bring your baby into the pool without a diaper.

.

Yeah, and what isn't?

"Tristan" wrote in message
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How long have you been driving a cab?

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WE.........
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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Unlawfully-begotten piece-of-skirt with wide jack nastyface and
sawed-off yubs would die for putrefied flesh bat for brutal sexual
intercourse. Mail me at

Carol Gulleynone availablewrote:

Flaunting garden-tool-mama with satiny beef curtain and laid up
grapefruits hungers for full-bodied whisker slitter for rough arse
****. Mail me at none available

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wrote:.

It's like a dog-eat-dog world that we don't live in.

No. Today is my 1st day on paxil.

Note to self: Do not respond.

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It's your mind I like. Say something smart.

Yes, I'm still seeing the sex therapist.

How entlightening, Finzeo.

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WE.........
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
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How Roy TRISTAN Hauer illegally forges victim's headers:

http://www.ganesha.org/ptb/hipcrime.html
Here ~Roy admits he has and will use Hipcrime.

"~Roy" wrote in message
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Lone Gunman

Funny thing that you mentioned the usenet ab(user) tool Hipcrime. I
have a copy of hipcrime for some time now and never installed it as I
liked the way Agent worked. I just may have togo and install that dll
library and hipcrime and see exactly what it can do. I remember
something about yur able to make groups as well as delete groups, but
I may be wrong on that aspect, but I do rememeber its good for
manipulating posts......but back then I had no need, now I have a
mission so perhaps now there is a need......


\Thanks for jogging my memory with the name hipcrime. I knew I seen it
somewhere around my software here, and totlaly forgot it.
Just Roy

"Carol Gulley" none available wrote in message
eatnowhere.com...
wrote:

I see you don't trash this group with personal attacks on other
posters.

Don't kill yourself.

Why is that Roy Tristan? What makes this group and it's members immune
from your attacks and trolling? You realize you've destroyed the pond,
goldfish and misc aquarium groups don't you? What's your motive Roy
Tristan, for destroying all those other groups.

I am not a troll, Finzeo. You however, are a ****chop.

You even invaded the rose group to get to your victim Gail.

My parents had sex. Isn't that the way it happens?

If we all move here will you let us post in peace and stop calling the
women sluts and whores and telling the disabled to commit suicide as
you did Ed Alston?

I did? Where, allegedly, Finzeo?

.

You shouldn't bring your baby into the pool without a diaper.

.

Yeah, and what isn't?

"Tristan" wrote in message
news

How long have you been driving a cab?

--
WE.........
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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