Apistasia Wimp

wrote on 5/27/2007 10:01 AM:

Berghia are a great solution to aiptasia problems in the right tanks
where they are a good fit. We've heard plenty of feedback that berghia
have solved people's aiptasia problems.


Burgia nudibranches (actualy scientist have given it
a different name), are the safest form of aiptasi
control, in that they will harm nothing else, and
they multiply like rabbits, and they will gang up on
an aiptasi and kill the whole thing no mater how
large the aiptasia is, but they often do not survive
in the reef tank. The above statement makes it look
like the percentage of burgia method success is
higher than it really is.

We've also heard a ton of feedback that Joe's Juice made their
aiptasia problems worse. So our advice is to siphon away any aiptasia
on which you apply Joe's Juice. Any of the pieces of aiptasia that
break off the aiptasia you put the juice on can make new aiptasia. The
foot of the aiptasia, if not destroyed, can regrow as well.

Peppermints are hit and miss. They must be the right kind of
peppermint (most stores don't really know what they have), they prefer
to eat fish food and they typically eat only the smaller aiptasia
assuming you have the right species of shrimp.

Copperbanded butterflyfish are hard to acclimate. It's not unusual for
people to try two or three before they get one to live for more than a
week.

Actually it's a matter of keeping it alive long
term, not short term. 1 week is not very long.


If the fish lives, it's a crap shoot as to if they will eat
aiptasia.

That's because people don't know the trick to get
them to start eating them.

However, copper banded butterfly fish also like to
eat all your worms, including feather dusters, and
star polyps, and other corals as well. But most
corals are safe.


If you are considering berghia, don't get peppermint shrimp. They are
predators.


Yep they are, and many other things will kill them
as well. Even clown fish have been known to kill
them just to protect their anemone even though it
won't eat their anemone.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


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On Sun, 27 May 2007 09:44:24 -0500, Pondmeister
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 23:56:05 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
snip a bunch of assumptions:


Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful.

Your assuming a lot here are you not. Perhaps its time to rewrite all
the books on the subject, since you seem to be so cock sure.


snip some more crap


LMAO, I am 100% sure Mr. Pondmeister. I routinely capture wild
Aeolidiella stephanieae, peppermint shrimp and aptasia smart guy.

I have been doing this damn near 25 years, and I have never seen a
wild caught peppermint shrimp from the Keys NOT eat aptasia, ever
period.

Just because camel shrimp have been sold by unscrupulous (and
sometimes stupid) vendors, don't ASSUME everyone in internet land is a
moron like you.

I could cash in on the 'bergia' (Aeolidiella stephanieae) craze if I
so desired, but I happen to like the little guys and have been
studying them extensively over the 12+ generations I have raised them
and concluded they suck as a form of aptasia control and I would not
subject them to starvation at the hands of a hobbiest who THINKS he
has an aptasia problem with ten in a tank.

On the other hand, peppermints are all of a buck or two and are quite
a bit more effective. I am relating my practical experience, not some
crap that has been made up to sell book or market a miracle snake oil
cure.

BTW: Go jump in a pond. LMFAO@U dumbass.

Well your a ****ing idiot then as the name you stated is far from
being what peppermints are.you ****ing babbling dumbass! I don't care
if yur doing it for a 100 yeras your ****ing wrong wrong wrong you
asshole! I'm not talking camel shrimp asshole I am talking peppermint,
realpeppermint, yu evidently live n wayne salle world of fiction and
wish. dumbass moron! Your theone that assumes, moron since you make
assinne claims that do not hold true ..take a ****ing hike yuu
babbling moronic baboon without a clue. No better yet your welcome
here with the rest of the ****ing idiots that hang uot here....duh!

On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:22:03 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2007 09:44:24 -0500, Pondmeister
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 23:56:05 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
snip a bunch of assumptions:


Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful.

Your assuming a lot here are you not. Perhaps its time to rewrite all
the books on the subject, since you seem to be so cock sure.


snip some more crap


LMAO, I am 100% sure Mr. Pondmeister. I routinely capture wild
Aeolidiella stephanieae, peppermint shrimp and aptasia smart guy.

I have been doing this damn near 25 years, and I have never seen a
wild caught peppermint shrimp from the Keys NOT eat aptasia, ever
period.

Just because camel shrimp have been sold by unscrupulous (and
sometimes stupid) vendors, don't ASSUME everyone in internet land is a
moron like you.

I could cash in on the 'bergia' (Aeolidiella stephanieae) craze if I
so desired, but I happen to like the little guys and have been
studying them extensively over the 12+ generations I have raised them
and concluded they suck as a form of aptasia control and I would not
subject them to starvation at the hands of a hobbiest who THINKS he
has an aptasia problem with ten in a tank.

On the other hand, peppermints are all of a buck or two and are quite
a bit more effective. I am relating my practical experience, not some
crap that has been made up to sell book or market a miracle snake oil
cure.

BTW: Go jump in a pond. LMFAO@U dumbass.










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On 27 May 2007 08:01:38 -0700, wrote:


Berghia are a great solution to aiptasia problems in the right tanks
where they are a good fit. We've heard plenty of feedback that berghia
have solved people's aiptasia problems.

We've also heard a ton of feedback that Joe's Juice made their
aiptasia problems worse. So our advice is to siphon away any aiptasia
on which you apply Joe's Juice. Any of the pieces of aiptasia that
break off the aiptasia you put the juice on can make new aiptasia. The
foot of the aiptasia, if not destroyed, can regrow as well.

Peppermints are hit and miss. They must be the right kind of
peppermint (most stores don't really know what they have), they prefer
to eat fish food and they typically eat only the smaller aiptasia
assuming you have the right species of shrimp.

Copperbanded butterflyfish are hard to acclimate. It's not unusual for
people to try two or three before they get one to live for more than a
week. If the fish lives, it's a crap shoot as to if they will eat
aiptasia.

If you are considering berghia, don't get peppermint shrimp. They are
predators.


Hopefully you won't take my last post as an attack on you, I assure
you it isn't.

You are wrong about peppermints being hit or miss, they are 100%
effective in my experience...the problems reported are from camel
shrimp who eat everything but aptasia. How someone can't tell the
difference is beyond me.

I have often wondered if a peppermint would eat an aptasia, since they
look quite similar when they are full after a big meal, but I could
never bring myself to actually try it because I assumed they would eat
em.

As far as a suitable tank, well my experience is you can't fit enough
aptasias in a tank to make it suitable. I have tried a variety of ways
to create a self sustaining aptasia/bergia environment, and I always
have to supplement the aptasias with either home grown or wild caught
because they go to the smaller ones first and leave nothing for the
microscopic larva to eat.

They will eat them all but a big one, which always starts the aptasia
cycle again. I know this as a fact, because it is how I grow more
aptasias, and they will always gravitate towards the smaller ones
first assuring nothing for the larva if you don't get them all out.

I have four tanks devoted to this project and if I felt they were
suitable, I would have started selling them months ago. As you must
know, with a good food supply it is trivial to have 100 ready in 30
days.

I have nothing against people who do sell them, I had originally
intended to do the same thing. I have shifted my breeding focus to
peppermints even though I can get them most of the year from the wild
for free. I really feel they are a hundred times better for this
problem...which isn't that big of a problem anyway IMO.

I have probably screwed around with aptasias more than anyone in a
variety of attempts to BOOST their reproduction rate and they just
don't grow all that fast. When I find any in my display tanks, I
extract them with forceps and nothing ever sprouts from the base.

I rip them from the glass and it is 50/50 whether another one will
even sprout. I chopped them up and tried to make 100, all that
happened is they slimed the water and rotted...

I have even hit them with low doses of joes juice because of the
reports from people, and it just stunted their growth with no joy on a
massive outbreak.

I have found the very best way to get them (aptasia) to reproduce is
keep them in the dark for a month, but that is a pain in the ass for
me and messes up the action I have going.

I have been considering selling viable egg swirls, since I cull most
of them anyway, but without preparing a tank full of microscopic
aptasias or chopping and feeding them every freaking day with a scope
it is next to impossible to raise them from an egg IME. I doubt many
people would have success.

I am glad someone is out there supplying them, because they make a
very cool pet, I just found them ineffective in my tanks...and I
always have aptasia because 99% of my stuff comes from the Keys, home
of the bergias and aptasias.

My vote goes to peppermint shrimp in case anyone who made it this far
down didn't take that from what I have already written. It is what
I use and I have a steady supply of nudis for free.

Please don't let any of this persuade anyone from buying bergias if
you have predators who will eat the shrimp, they are very neat to
watch and pretty easy to raise....don't cry when your $60 worth of
bergias disappear into the rocks, never to be seen again and your
aptasias are flourishing, you have been warned.

BTW: They live about 60 days from start to finish, and if you don't
have a TON of microscopic aptasia the bloodline will end.

On Sun, 27 May 2007 13:54:19 -0500, Pondmeister
wrote:

Well your a ****ing idiot then as the name you stated is far from
being what peppermints are.you ****ing babbling dumbass! I don't care
if yur doing it for a 100 yeras your ****ing wrong wrong wrong you
asshole! I'm not talking camel shrimp asshole I am talking peppermint,
realpeppermint, yu evidently live n wayne salle world of fiction and
wish. dumbass moron! Your theone that assumes, moron since you make
assinne claims that do not hold true ..take a ****ing hike yuu
babbling moronic baboon without a clue. No better yet your welcome
here with the rest of the ****ing idiots that hang uot here....duh!



Clearly you are an idiot. The name I supplied is the scientific name
for 'bergias' jerkoff.

I can't even believe a moron with what looks like third grade English
skills has the audacity to even address me.

What the **** is a pond faggot doing in a reef group anyway. Do you
even have a salt water tank?

Go lick one of your gold fish and leave the adults to discuss things
that happen in the ocean.




On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:22:03 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2007 09:44:24 -0500, Pondmeister
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2007 23:56:05 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:
snip a bunch of assumptions:


Peppermint shrimp from the keys are always 100% successful.

Your assuming a lot here are you not. Perhaps its time to rewrite all
the books on the subject, since you seem to be so cock sure.


snip some more crap


LMAO, I am 100% sure Mr. Pondmeister. I routinely capture wild
Aeolidiella stephanieae, peppermint shrimp and aptasia smart guy.

I have been doing this damn near 25 years, and I have never seen a
wild caught peppermint shrimp from the Keys NOT eat aptasia, ever
period.

Just because camel shrimp have been sold by unscrupulous (and
sometimes stupid) vendors, don't ASSUME everyone in internet land is a
moron like you.

I could cash in on the 'bergia' (Aeolidiella stephanieae) craze if I
so desired, but I happen to like the little guys and have been
studying them extensively over the 12+ generations I have raised them
and concluded they suck as a form of aptasia control and I would not
subject them to starvation at the hands of a hobbiest who THINKS he
has an aptasia problem with ten in a tank.

On the other hand, peppermints are all of a buck or two and are quite
a bit more effective. I am relating my practical experience, not some
crap that has been made up to sell book or market a miracle snake oil
cure.

BTW: Go jump in a pond. LMFAO@U dumbass.










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On Wed, 23 May 2007 17:04:18 -0500, Pondmeister
wrote:

Peppermint are known t eat it but like th coipper band there is n
guarantee. Give aip long enough and eventually you risk your tank
getting over run with them....nuke it now or take your changes. And by
the way you do not inject them with Joes Joice you merely squirt the
milky white crap over them and it does the trick, as does lemon juice
or kalk wasser....lemon juice is best injected.

Odds are if yu do nt feed any food to yur critters that copper band
will get hungry enough to eat the aip. Why eat crap like aip when
better stuff is handed to them.Its the only way I can get peppermints
to eat aip or emeral crabs to eat bubble algae and the same with m,ost
any critter......if it gets hungry enough it will eat the
undesireables. OR pull your ocrals and other critter osut and turn
that tank into a tank of undesireables, and throw all your
undesireable crap init like manjano';s bristle worms, mantis shrimp or
rogue hermits etc. Let it run rampant, do not worry about water
changes on a scheduled basis, and even an odd damsel or two does good
in it. Yu would be surprised how meat looking such a tank and how
diverse such a tank can get...I personally would not be caught with
out a "undesireables tank" and I prefer to look at my undesireables
than most of my other tanks.......

Do they have a babble fish translator to decipher what this moron
writes?

Get the dick out of your hand and try and concentrate on the task at
hand, like making a coherent post.

Hahahahahahah, I love the usenet. I have spent way to much time on
webforums with moderators.

I like you dick head, I would probably have just went back to
reefcentral and never again visited this newsgroup if it wasn't for
you. I will now follow your pathetic ass around to every newsgroup you
post in just to **** with you..because the only thing I have done
longer than reefs is torture ass holes on fidonet, AND then the
internet.

HAHAHAahahhahaHAHHHAHAHAHAHAhahahahhahahaAHAhhaHA! !!!!

What happened pondmeister, are you consulting your dictionary to try
and make a post someone can understand???
I sure hope so, because every one of your posts has looked like it was
written by a third grader.

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


kryppy@. wrote on 5/27/2007 3:24 PM:
What happened pondmeister, are you consulting your dictionary to try
and make a post someone can understand???
I sure hope so, because every one of your posts has looked like it was
written by a third grader.





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On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.


Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
to do it.

This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
see some action here. Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
just makes them post more and nymshift.

Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise.

Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
reply to me.

Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
queer who is afraid to reply.

I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though.

Dream on asshole dream on... your doing just what I want you to do.
Afterall I OWN you dumbass!

Check outy rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc, as well as
rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, rec.aquaria.freshwater.goldfish and
rec.ponds your not even close to where I hang my hat faggot ass!

Your ****ing of Misses Wayne Salle and Pszemol not me. Nothng more I
like than having a dumbass on my fshing line even if it nly lasts for
a post or two or a year or more.Bring it on asshole I can handle it.



On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:50:21 -0400, kryppy@. wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:55 -0400, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Stop feeding the troll. Put the troll in your kill file.


Fortunately you have already plonked me, so I don't have to tell you
to do it.

This group seems pretty dead, I would think you guys would be happy to
see some action here. Ignoring trolls never makes them go away, it
just makes them post more and nymshift.

Verbally beating them down is the only thing that ever works in my
experience, their little egos are so easy to bruise.

Much like this minor troll, dorkmeister who is sobbing in mommies
basement right now on the phone with a fifth grader, working on a
reply to me.

Hahaha, you hear that goldfish licker??? I am saying you are a little
queer who is afraid to reply.

I would think you would jump on the chance to fill this group with
junk??? I am prepared to help you. It will be on my terms though.









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