Now I'm really worried!

Ozdude wrote:

I read on a betta site last night that C.f. actually does have some highly
resistant strains now, something like the super-bug in hospitals that no
anti-biotic can beat.

I was a nurse, hence my dislike of over use of antibiotics

There is always the option too of breaking the tank down - completely
disinfecting and steralizing it and starting again, which in itself isn't
such a bad thing. At least you get a second chance to get your aquascaping
and things you got wrong first time around, right

An opiton here too right now.


I treated my tank with tri-sulphur and the two XXXXfix fluids today and I
had a bit of a brainstorm about mediacted food - instead of flakes, pellets
or bloodworms - they got fed sinking wafers in a DIY feeder which prevents
it from settling on the substrate (an inverted plastic lid with a sucker
attached - half way down the water column which acts as a platform). As the
food absorbs the water it takes up the meds and you have a sort of crude
medicated feed. I figured it wouldn't hurt them because it's also getting
into their blood via respiration through the gill membranes.

Where did you get the tri-sulphur? I like you combination of medications.

I get annoyed that I can't get antibiotics for fish until I start to think
of what could happen. In the long run I don't suppose it will help Aust.
b/c the countries that allow free use of antibiotics will bring in their
resistant bugs here anyway.


This is why our quarantine is so full on - Australia prides itself on it's
freedom from o/s problems like this. BSE is a good example of this policy in
action.
Yeah, but the humans can still walk right through
I'm a farmer now and get quite cranky when people say how they managed
to get such and such through customs.


I just heard it is forecast to get to 36 here tomorrow - it's autumn isn't
it?


It is indeed, but over the last decade at least I've noticed the seasons
moving to slightly later into the year. There are also the El Ninio and La
Nina effects we have influencing the weather here ;(

SOI has fairly dropped so we are on our way to another El Nino probably.

Oz

Up in one of your other posts (which I cna't now find) I saw that you
can't get PP. Did you try a chemist? When I was nursing we used to use
it for bathing kids with infected scabies.

I can now get into that website btw.

Also, does anyone know if PP will stain any tank equipment? It sure
makes a mess of a white bathtub.

Oz, it is so good having you here as a fellow Aussie who understands the
problems of the antibiotic lack. So much of the net where I've asked
questions the replies have been to use this or that antibiotic and when
you say you can't, it's like, tough titty or what planet do you come
from. You have dragged much more info out of everyone here than I have
been able to anywhere - GREAT WORK!!!


miskairal

"miskairal" wrote in message
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Ozdude wrote:

I read on a betta site last night that C.f. actually does have some
highly resistant strains now, something like the super-bug in hospitals
that no anti-biotic can beat.

I was a nurse, hence my dislike of over use of antibiotics

I avoid them for myself. Result? A pretty robust immune system - I don't get
sick, or very, very rarely

I treated my tank with tri-sulphur and the two XXXXfix fluids today and I
had a bit of a brainstorm about mediacted food - instead of flakes,
pellets or bloodworms - they got fed sinking wafers in a DIY feeder which
prevents it from settling on the substrate (an inverted plastic lid with
a sucker attached - half way down the water column which acts as a
platform). As the food absorbs the water it takes up the meds and you
have a sort of crude medicated feed. I figured it wouldn't hurt them
because it's also getting into their blood via respiration through the
gill membranes.

Where did you get the tri-sulphur? I like you combination of medications.

From the LFS a while ago. They're Aqua Master brand Tri-Sulfa Tablets -
yellow label.

1 tablet dissolved for each 40L of water. They contain Sulfadiazine 135.5mg,
Sulfadimine 154.7mg and Slufamerazine 154.1mg as monosudium salts.

The label states in part "As an aid in control...Mouth and Body Fungus
(Culmnaris spp.)...."

I try not to use them unless I have to because they knock out all bacteria
and they are a pretty full-on thing to use by my estimation.

Still, when I do use them they seem to work in just one doseage.

SOI has fairly dropped so we are on our way to another El Nino probably.

I just want the dams to fill up again I'm used to El Ninio, but I'm over
dry weather - some rain for a few days would be wonderful

Up in one of your other posts (which I cna't now find) I saw that you
can't get PP. Did you try a chemist? When I was nursing we used to use it
for bathing kids with infected scabies.

I can now get into that website btw.

I can get it - it's not a sourcing issue - it's my finance issue

Also, does anyone know if PP will stain any tank equipment? It sure makes
a mess of a white bathtub.

I believe it does. I've read many a aquatic medication page on the web where
they talk about PP treatments and every one of them has mentioned that it
will stain things orange or pink. Apparently H2O2 will oxydise/neutralise
it, but then we start going down a chemical spiral road as far as I'm
concerned - this is why I'm a bit hesitant to use it in the first place. I
don't think I would treat a whole display tank with it.

Oz, it is so good having you here as a fellow Aussie who understands the
problems of the antibiotic lack. So much of the net where I've asked
questions the replies have been to use this or that antibiotic and when
you say you can't, it's like, tough titty or what planet do you come from.
You have dragged much more info out of everyone here than I have been able
to anywhere - GREAT WORK!!!

Hey! that's what these discussion groups are for. It's why I love them and
frequent them daily - the exchange of information, views and thoughts are
far beyond days worth of Gooogling. I fugure, especially with aquaria, there
is every chance that someone has had either the specific problem or
something like it and can relate some experience on the matters. You also
meet some really nice people, as people too

There are also the more experienced people around who are just wonderful,
mature and compassionate.

Truth be known, if it wasn't for the help and non-judgmental advice received
over these last few months, I would have sold the fish plants and equipment
and given the hobby up. There was a time where it just seemed too much
bother for me to be bothered with, but I am now very into it, AND I also
have better than average skills and knowledge which gives me a leg-up when I
go for that job at the pet shop, in the aquatic section

Have a great day! and stay cool (fish as well).

Oz


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My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith

Ozdude wrote:
"miskairal" wrote in message
...

Ozdude wrote:

I read on a betta site last night that C.f. actually does have some
highly resistant strains now, something like the super-bug in hospitals
that no anti-biotic can beat.

I was a nurse, hence my dislike of over use of antibiotics


I avoid them for myself. Result? A pretty robust immune system - I don't get
sick, or very, very rarely

Me too. My 21 year old son recently thanked a doctor for being the first
not to try and fob him off with antibiotics


I treated my tank with tri-sulphur and the two XXXXfix fluids today and I
had a bit of a brainstorm about mediacted food - instead of flakes,
pellets or bloodworms - they got fed sinking wafers in a DIY feeder which
prevents it from settling on the substrate (an inverted plastic lid with
a sucker attached - half way down the water column which acts as a
platform). As the food absorbs the water it takes up the meds and you
have a sort of crude medicated feed. I figured it wouldn't hurt them
because it's also getting into their blood via respiration through the
gill membranes.

Where did you get the tri-sulphur? I like you combination of medications.


From the LFS a while ago. They're Aqua Master brand Tri-Sulfa Tablets -
yellow label.

1 tablet dissolved for each 40L of water. They contain Sulfadiazine 135.5mg,
Sulfadimine 154.7mg and Slufamerazine 154.1mg as monosudium salts.

The label states in part "As an aid in control...Mouth and Body Fungus
(Culmnaris spp.)...."

I try not to use them unless I have to because they knock out all bacteria
and they are a pretty full-on thing to use by my estimation.

Still, when I do use them they seem to work in just one doseage.

Thanks! I will try to get the lfs in my tiny town to get some in. I
might lose the good bacteria but it's better than losing the fish and I
have another tank I can steal from


SOI has fairly dropped so we are on our way to another El Nino probably.


I just want the dams to fill up again I'm used to El Ninio, but I'm over
dry weather - some rain for a few days would be wonderful

You ought to see the dust here. I actually bought an eye bath thingy to
use b/c our eyes are so gritted up


Up in one of your other posts (which I cna't now find) I saw that you
can't get PP. Did you try a chemist? When I was nursing we used to use it
for bathing kids with infected scabies.

I can now get into that website btw.


I can get it - it's not a sourcing issue - it's my finance issue

I just assumed it would be cheap. I might end up thinking twice about it
myself when I find out a price.

Also, does anyone know if PP will stain any tank equipment? It sure makes
a mess of a white bathtub.


I believe it does. I've read many a aquatic medication page on the web where
they talk about PP treatments and every one of them has mentioned that it
will stain things orange or pink. Apparently H2O2 will oxydise/neutralise
it, but then we start going down a chemical spiral road as far as I'm
concerned - this is why I'm a bit hesitant to use it in the first place. I
don't think I would treat a whole display tank with it.

Oz, it is so good having you here as a fellow Aussie who understands the
problems of the antibiotic lack. So much of the net where I've asked
questions the replies have been to use this or that antibiotic and when
you say you can't, it's like, tough titty or what planet do you come from.
You have dragged much more info out of everyone here than I have been able
to anywhere - GREAT WORK!!!


Hey! that's what these discussion groups are for. It's why I love them and
frequent them daily - the exchange of information, views and thoughts are
far beyond days worth of Gooogling. I fugure, especially with aquaria, there
is every chance that someone has had either the specific problem or
something like it and can relate some experience on the matters. You also
meet some really nice people, as people too

There are also the more experienced people around who are just wonderful,
mature and compassionate.

Truth be known, if it wasn't for the help and non-judgmental advice received
over these last few months, I would have sold the fish plants and equipment
and given the hobby up. There was a time where it just seemed too much
bother for me to be bothered with, but I am now very into it, AND I also
have better than average skills and knowledge which gives me a leg-up when I
go for that job at the pet shop, in the aquatic section

Have a great day! and stay cool (fish as well).

It's 11.30am and already up to 30
Air con might be the solution to owning tropical fish in a tropical
climate eh?

Cheers
miskairal

PP does not stain anything. What brown stain you see is oxidized
material and it comes off. Malachite Green will stain silicone and
plastics. so IMHO its best to use MG or other coper based type
treatments in a bare tank or a tank you do not mind having a bueish or
green colored sealer or air lines on. This is just about impossible to
remove, but does diminish with time.lots of time......

The brown stain from PP which normally is only going to be at the
water level or on anything that was oxidized, comes right off with a
rinse under water or just normal filtration and is not a
problem........The majority of aquariums are not really all that laden
with organic etc that get oxidized, as compared to natural ponds.



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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

~Roy~ wrote:
PP does not stain anything. What brown stain you see is oxidized
material and it comes off.

In a white bathtub in a children's hospital ward it required a LOT of
Ajax and elbow grease to remove, especially as the baths got older and
lost some of their shiny surface (due to our scrubbing)