EcoSpheres Inhumane?

"Nikki Casali" wrote in message
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Just go and buy a few shrimp, stick 'em in a jar and have done with it.
Eco-Jar. Cheaper. Doh!

Nikki



Not quite. If you stick them in jar you still have to feed them. The idea
of the eco sphere is that it is a completely balanced ecosystem in there.
No outside intervention such as feeding is needed.

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Margolis wrote:
"Nikki Casali" wrote in message
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Just go and buy a few shrimp, stick 'em in a jar and have done with it.
Eco-Jar. Cheaper. Doh!

Nikki




Not quite. If you stick them in jar you still have to feed them. The idea
of the eco sphere is that it is a completely balanced ecosystem in there.
No outside intervention such as feeding is needed.


I thought I'd mention it as I remember a childrens' science programme -
I think BBC's Science Shack - where they housed a few woodlice in a jar
with soil, air and a few plants. The jar was sealed and never opened.
The only thing the ecosystem needed to sustain it was light and heat.

Nikki

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Margolis wrote:
"Nikki Casali" wrote in message
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Just go and buy a few shrimp, stick 'em in a jar and have done with
it. Eco-Jar. Cheaper. Doh!

Nikki




Not quite. If you stick them in jar you still have to feed them. The
idea of the eco sphere is that it is a completely balanced ecosystem
in there. No outside intervention such as feeding is needed.


I thought I'd mention it as I remember a childrens' science programme -
I think BBC's Science Shack - where they housed a few woodlice in a jar
with soil, air and a few plants. The jar was sealed and never opened.
The only thing the ecosystem needed to sustain it was light and heat.

Nikki

Once a year, I used to get a parade of parents (moms) with kids trailing
behind them, ready to buy some fish and plants to put into a sealed jar
for their class science experiment. It was an annual event for us,
talking them out of putting several Guppies into a 1 litre jar. I
usually send them off with a variety of plant cuttings, a newborn fry or
shrimp (which they can return to me after the experiment is over), and
instructions to use a larger container, keep it away from heat sources,
etc etc. For the most part, the parents where quite sympathetic and
willing to follow the instructions, so I'd like to think that the
greatest influence on our moral compass is knowledge ).
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Once a year, I used to get a parade of parents (moms) with kids trailing
behind them, ready to buy some fish and plants to put into a sealed jar
for their class science experiment. It was an annual event for us,
talking them out of putting several Guppies into a 1 litre jar. I
usually send them off with a variety of plant cuttings, a newborn fry or
shrimp (which they can return to me after the experiment is over), and
instructions to use a larger container, keep it away from heat sources,
etc etc. For the most part, the parents where quite sympathetic and
willing to follow the instructions, so I'd like to think that the
greatest influence on our moral compass is knowledge ).

Sure, it's really not hard to do. I once had a tank with a colony
of Aphyosemion bitaeniatum in a 20 gallon tank - I started
with 6 pair and a lot of thread algae. The tank was extremely
tightly covered (they jump!) and evaporation was near or at
zero. For about 18 months I did not feed them. Fish came and went,
occasionally you'r see a dead body (not for long) and occasionally
you'd see fry. There were always about 6 pair, more or less.

The liight (strong) kept the algae going, infusoria and copepods
lived off the algae and the fish ate them. Fish waste kept the
alage growing.

I was away for two weeks, the light had failed and when I got back
everyting in the tank was dead.
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"winddancir" wrote in message
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Well, as far as I can tell (and I've read most of the website, plus info
from related sites) it seems to be a fair setup. I don't know how much a
shrimp can understand things, but I see food, oxgen, and a nice habitat.
That is what we provide for our pets, and as long as you don't mistreat
them (ie: shake the crap out of them) I see no problem.
But it is nice to see people are concerned over things like this.
A bad example of something similar is the betta with a plant.
Instructions are to not feed the betta because he eats the plant. Very
limited ecosystem, as bettas are not herbavores. And the plant can
cover the entire top of the water. Big no-no for bettas.

I think the EcoSphere has at least been well thought out, unlike other
things. ::cough... betta in a vase... cough::


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Confession here...got EcoSpheres and BioSpheres a bit mixed up....hate
BioSpheres....not sure about the practicalities of EcoSpheres....

Gill Passman wrote:
"winddancir" wrote in message
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Well, as far as I can tell (and I've read most of the website, plus info
from related sites) it seems to be a fair setup. I don't know how much a
shrimp can understand things, but I see food, oxgen, and a nice habitat.
That is what we provide for our pets, and as long as you don't mistreat
them (ie: shake the crap out of them) I see no problem.
But it is nice to see people are concerned over things like this.
A bad example of something similar is the betta with a plant.
Instructions are to not feed the betta because he eats the plant. Very
limited ecosystem, as bettas are not herbavores. And the plant can
cover the entire top of the water. Big no-no for bettas.

I think the EcoSphere has at least been well thought out, unlike other
things. ::cough... betta in a vase... cough::


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winddancir


Confession here...got EcoSpheres and BioSpheres a bit mixed up....hate
BioSpheres....not sure about the practicalities of EcoSpheres....

RFLMAO. Erm, what's a BioSphere? BioSphere 2? Earth? The only
impracticality to an EcoSphere is how to get rid of the thing when
everything entombed has expired and is festering. Ewww!

Nikki

ET,

I have some trouble with this aspect of children+animals. Owning a
sphere could be good, if the child is mature enough to understand
death and loss. Many children don't understand how to feel when a pet
dies, and a sphere can be thought of as a pet. If they shrug it off,
then you worry. If they cry for two days, you also worry. I say that
this kind of thing should be reserved for teens and mature 9+
children.

Is it wrong? I don't think so. Can it cause harm? Certainly could.
This might be just the thing to use to see if children are ready to
take care of a pet???

rolf

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:18:58 GMT, Elaine T
wrote:

Eromsnid Flor wrote:

If the brine shrimp are not close to human, then they do not benefit
from treatment based on our morals. At that point we only need to
consider the effect of their treatment on ourselves. Does confining
them to an 'eco-sphere' have an effect on our moral growth. Will
owning an eco-sphere lead to other morally questionable activities and
acts, such as you often see with children who torture animals and then
grow up to be sociopaths?


Now THAT is the heart of the matter - well stated! I would add that
owning an Eco-Sphere could bring positive moral growth. If the shrimp
become pets and the keeper develops a sense of caring for something
alive, that caring can extend to higher animals and even fellow humans.

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Gill Passman wrote:
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Well, as far as I can tell (and I've read most of the website, plus info
from related sites) it seems to be a fair setup. I don't know how much a
shrimp can understand things, but I see food, oxgen, and a nice habitat.
That is what we provide for our pets, and as long as you don't mistreat
them (ie: shake the crap out of them) I see no problem.
But it is nice to see people are concerned over things like this.
A bad example of something similar is the betta with a plant.
Instructions are to not feed the betta because he eats the plant. Very
limited ecosystem, as bettas are not herbavores. And the plant can
cover the entire top of the water. Big no-no for bettas.

I think the EcoSphere has at least been well thought out, unlike other
things. ::cough... betta in a vase... cough::


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winddancir


Confession here...got EcoSpheres and BioSpheres a bit mixed up....hate
BioSpheres....not sure about the practicalities of EcoSpheres....

RFLMAO. Erm, what's a BioSphere? BioSphere 2? Earth? The only
impracticality to an EcoSphere is how to get rid of the thing when
everything entombed has expired and is festering. Ewww!

Nikki

Doh....think I'm digging myself a hole here....what I mean is a BioOrb. Not
picking on any stockist at all but this was the first hit on google:-

http://www.theaquariumshop.co.uk/ish...hopscr368.html

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Gill Passman wrote:

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Well, as far as I can tell (and I've read most of the website, plus info

from related sites) it seems to be a fair setup. I don't know how much a

shrimp can understand things, but I see food, oxgen, and a nice habitat.
That is what we provide for our pets, and as long as you don't mistreat
them (ie: shake the crap out of them) I see no problem.
But it is nice to see people are concerned over things like this.
A bad example of something similar is the betta with a plant.
Instructions are to not feed the betta because he eats the plant. Very
limited ecosystem, as bettas are not herbavores. And the plant can
cover the entire top of the water. Big no-no for bettas.

I think the EcoSphere has at least been well thought out, unlike other
things. ::cough... betta in a vase... cough::


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winddancir


Confession here...got EcoSpheres and BioSpheres a bit mixed up....hate
BioSpheres....not sure about the practicalities of EcoSpheres....

RFLMAO. Erm, what's a BioSphere? BioSphere 2? Earth? The only
impracticality to an EcoSphere is how to get rid of the thing when
everything entombed has expired and is festering. Ewww!

Nikki


Doh....think I'm digging myself a hole here....what I mean is a BioOrb. Not
picking on any stockist at all but this was the first hit on google:-

http://www.theaquariumshop.co.uk/ish...hopscr368.html

Interesting fish bowl. I'd love to see a 100cm diameter version of this.
But where would you put it? In your living room, maybe us it as a coffee
table? Hey, anyone seen a coffee table aquarium? Hmmm, wouldn't want all
those mains wires straggling across the lounge though, lol.

Nikki

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Gill Passman wrote:

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Well, as far as I can tell (and I've read most of the website, plus
info

from related sites) it seems to be a fair setup. I don't know how much
a

shrimp can understand things, but I see food, oxgen, and a nice
habitat.
That is what we provide for our pets, and as long as you don't
mistreat
them (ie: shake the crap out of them) I see no problem.
But it is nice to see people are concerned over things like this.
A bad example of something similar is the betta with a plant.
Instructions are to not feed the betta because he eats the plant. Very
limited ecosystem, as bettas are not herbavores. And the plant can
cover the entire top of the water. Big no-no for bettas.

I think the EcoSphere has at least been well thought out, unlike other
things. ::cough... betta in a vase... cough::


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winddancir


Confession here...got EcoSpheres and BioSpheres a bit mixed up....hate
BioSpheres....not sure about the practicalities of EcoSpheres....

RFLMAO. Erm, what's a BioSphere? BioSphere 2? Earth? The only
impracticality to an EcoSphere is how to get rid of the thing when
everything entombed has expired and is festering. Ewww!

Nikki


Doh....think I'm digging myself a hole here....what I mean is a BioOrb.
Not
picking on any stockist at all but this was the first hit on google:-

http://www.theaquariumshop.co.uk/ish...hopscr368.html

Interesting fish bowl. I'd love to see a 100cm diameter version of this.
But where would you put it? In your living room, maybe us it as a coffee
table? Hey, anyone seen a coffee table aquarium? Hmmm, wouldn't want all
those mains wires straggling across the lounge though, lol.

Nikki

Wouldn't you risk your coffee sliding off the top? lol

IMHO It just reminds me of a Round Goldfish Bowl with a lid and a few other
bits and pieces...

BTW Don't think my living room is large enough for 100cm diameter Coffee
Table with or without the cables.... :-(