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I've been to Aquascape site, yet couldn't find any information regarding
what went inside the biofall. If you worry about killing the beneficial
bacteria, try cleaning half of the filter. Then clean the other half 2
weeks later. The other option is to stop feeding the fish, and clean the
filter now. Resume feeding 2 weeks later.
pMy pond had a lot of plants, yet it had pea soup water. It cleared once
my better filter started to function. I had those same green water in an
outdoor aquarium. It remained green until I put in some Water Hyacinth.
Plants alone did not clear the water, the same could be said about filter.
pDon't feel too bad. People with superior filters still have problem
with pea soup. They still need to resort to using UV filter to remove it.
If you want a quick solution, get one installed.
pAs for bacteria products, I have no idea. I've never used them.
pebruvold wrote:
blockquote TYPE=CITEMore information seems in order.
pThe filter  is an Aquascape "BIOFALLS" filter.  The contractor
who put
brit in suggested not to clean that often as it would kill off the
brbenefial bacteria.  I believe the recommendation was to change
out the
brfilter once a year.  It looks generally clean (or at least not
clogged
brand too soiled).
pThe pond gets a LOT of morning shade and then afternoon and evening
brsun.
pI am using supposedly beneficial bacteria - the Aquascape Clear
brbacteria plus SAB enyme.  I haven't tried (but thinking) Barley
(which
bras I understand it I can place either in the pond or in the water
brcourse. I am tyring to get the lillies to cover at least 60% of pond.
brWhat I am trying to figure out is how to make sense of ALL the products
brout on the market.  There seem to be scores of different "bacteria"
brproducts.  Are there any reviews????
pWoudl just like to see the bottom of my pond at some point ;-)/blockquote
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"Sean Dinh" wrote in message
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I've been to Aquascape site, yet couldn't find any information regarding
what went inside the
biofall. If you worry about killing the beneficial bacteria, try cleaning
half of the filter. Then
clean the other half 2 weeks later. The other option is to stop feeding
the fish, and clean the
filter now. Resume feeding 2 weeks later.
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Or take the output of your pump and clean the filter outside the pond with
pond water. Put the filter back on-line, and then top your pond off. Minimal
filter death that way.


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"Sean Dinh" wrote in message
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I've been to Aquascape site, yet couldn't find any information regarding what
went inside the biofall. If you worry about killing the beneficial bacteria,
try cleaning half of the filter. Then clean the other half 2 weeks later. The
other option is to stop feeding the fish, and clean the filter now. Resume
feeding 2 weeks later.
My pond had a lot of plants, yet it had pea soup water. It cleared once my
better filter started to function. I had those same green water in an outdoor
aquarium. It remained green until I put in some Water Hyacinth. Plants alone
did not clear the water, the same could be said about filter.

Don't feel too bad. People with superior filters still have problem with pea
soup. They still need to resort to using UV filter to remove it. If you want a
quick solution, get one installed.

Hmmm. If the filter is so superior, why do they have pea green soup for water?
I only had this problem once, immediately after I set up my pond three years
ago. I haven't had it since.

As for bacteria products, I have no idea. I've never used them.

They work, and work well.

"George" wrote in message
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Don't feel too bad. People with superior filters still have problem with
pea
soup. They still need to resort to using UV filter to remove it. If you
want a
quick solution, get one installed.

Hmmm. If the filter is so superior, why do they have pea green soup for
water?
I only had this problem once, immediately after I set up my pond three
years
ago. I haven't had it since.

As for bacteria products, I have no idea. I've never used them.

They work, and work well.


I disagree. I get an algae bloom EVERY YEAR. When the VF takes off, the
water clears within days. My neighbor, who uses a biofilter only, added a VF
last year, and had clear water for the first time.

I am not anti-UV, I just don't have a need for it.


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They are superior in term of ammonia and nitrite removal. There is still
nitrate left.
pGeorge wrote:
blockquote TYPE=CITEHmmm.  If the filter is so superior, why do
they have pea green soup for water?
brI only had this problem once, immediately after I set up my pond three
years
brago. I haven't had it since./blockquote
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"ebruvold" wrote in message
oups.com...
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But not sure it is helping! Or at least I can not noticeably see a
difference. Is my only hope to drain the pond and start over? Should
I have patience with the product I am using? Should I try something
different (there seem to be a huge number of different concoctions out
there - any objective reviews?)
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A few thoughts...

1. Dead algae is food for new algae
2. I would never put any algaecide into my pond with the exception of #3
3. You could try the blue dye tabs, which tint the water and cut down on
algae by starving them of sunlight.
4. Draining and refilling, is just going to give the algae a nice new batch
of water to work in and probably stress everything else. I wouldn't do it.
5. String algae can't be helped, just scoop it out.
6. More plants. Plants out compete algae
7. Patience
8. Get rid of your fish and chlorinate the pond...so no algae plants or
other critters will ever call the pond home.


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4. Draining and refilling, is just going to give the algae a nice new batch
of water to work in and probably stress everything else. I wouldn't do it.

I think this one is a total myth, more a YMMV.

Every year I have to totally drain my lily pond to get the baby fish and
muck out. So all new (treated) water goes in. That was a week ago, still
perfectly clear. Course I started the filter prior to the clean out so
there would be some bio-bugs in it. I gently rinse the sides, but leave the
fuzz algae attached.... and the clincher, there are no fish in the pond,
just the frogs doing their thing (which feeds the bacteria in the filter).

Now sometimes I have gotten Suspended Algae in this pond, but it had
nothing to do with the new water, it happened later in the summer when the
pH went sky high. 9.0+ and I'd over harvested some string algae (at the
time I didn't have much fuzz algae). The lily pads were thick, but once
that pH goes over 9.0 it becomes very difficult for the higher plants to
remove the nutrients. I'm hoping this year the fuzz algae has a good hold,
so far it is looking good. I also added a pound of baking soda from the
start. ~ jan


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Why does your pond spike so high in PH..........is it concrete or does
it have lots of manmade stones or limestone type rocks in contact
with the water or?????
I know it is unrelated to a pond with filtration and such,
but my pond stays around 7.2 to 7.4 most all the time. Even if it went
higher or lower not much I could do without buying a dump truck load
of what ever is needed. Lowest I have ever seen mine was a 7.0 and the
highest was a 7.8. Sort of nice not having to fool with PH, cleaning
filters, and stuff, but it sucks when it comes to having gin clear
water and viewing fish deep down...About my only gripe with my pond is
viewability.


On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:26:34 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
wrote:

===4. Draining and refilling, is just going to give the algae a nice new batch
===of water to work in and probably stress everything else. I wouldn't do it.
===
===I think this one is a total myth, more a YMMV.
===
===Every year I have to totally drain my lily pond to get the baby fish and
===muck out. So all new (treated) water goes in. That was a week ago, still
===perfectly clear. Course I started the filter prior to the clean out so
===there would be some bio-bugs in it. I gently rinse the sides, but leave the
===fuzz algae attached.... and the clincher, there are no fish in the pond,
===just the frogs doing their thing (which feeds the bacteria in the filter).
===
===Now sometimes I have gotten Suspended Algae in this pond, but it had
===nothing to do with the new water, it happened later in the summer when the
===pH went sky high. 9.0+ and I'd over harvested some string algae (at the
===time I didn't have much fuzz algae). The lily pads were thick, but once
===that pH goes over 9.0 it becomes very difficult for the higher plants to
===remove the nutrients. I'm hoping this year the fuzz algae has a good hold,
===so far it is looking good. I also added a pound of baking soda from the
===start. ~ jan
===
===
===See my ponds and filter design:
===http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
===
=== ~Keep 'em Wet!~
=== Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
=== To e-mail see website


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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:34:15 GMT, (~Roy~) wrote:

Why does your pond spike so high in PH..........

I have cement blocks around the edge, last year was the worst and they were
5 years old by that time, acid washed many times too. Don't know what the
deal was. Lots of baking soda and water changes took care of it. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:34:15 GMT, (~Roy~) wrote:

Why does your pond spike so high in PH..........

I have cement blocks around the edge, last year was the worst and they
were
5 years old by that time, acid washed many times too. Don't know what the
deal was. Lots of baking soda and water changes took care of it. ~ jan

Cement blocks like pavers or cinder blocks? I would have assumed that
anything underwater would have sealed over and anything above would have
aged sufficiently. Maybe the acid washing is keeping the blocks porous and
the leeching continues.