Fish in Hiding

I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago
we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is
abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?

Thanks,
Martin

"Quercus Robur" wrote in message
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I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago we
had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish went into
hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is abnormal
behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and chloramine remover.
Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?

Thanks,
Martin

What is the temprature and pH of the water?

Quercus Robur wrote:
I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago
we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is
abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?

Thanks,
Martin



Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or quarters sticks. you
time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there Dead
Jim".

McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

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"Reel Mckoi" wrote in message
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Quercus Robur wrote:
I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in
N.
Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have
now
survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days
ago
we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This
is
abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I
do?

Thanks,
Martin



Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or quarters sticks. you
time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there Dead
Jim".

McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago
we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is
abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?

Thanks,
Martin

Whenever there is a fish or pond problem the first thing you do is CHECK
YOUR WATER QUALITY, do not do a water change, especially one so big, until
you've checked the parameters, you may just make a bad situation worst.

This is what you need to check: Ammonia, Nitrite, pH, KH, and tell us the
temp. report the numbers and most likely we can tell you more. If your test
kits are over a year old their accuracy is suspect, if you're using strips,
their accuracy is suspect. If the test doesn't give you a number, the
accuracy is suspect.

Nothing drives me more nuts than to be called out to a pond because there
is "something wrong with my fish" and find out that the ponder has done
some major change, either medicated or water changes, before I get there.
Some days I feel like people are saying, "Let's see just how good that KHA
program was?" s ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
www.jjspond.us

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

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"Reel Mckoi" wrote in message
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Quercus Robur wrote:
I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in
N.
Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have
now
survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days
ago
we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This
is
abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I
do?

Thanks,
Martin



Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or quarters sticks. you
time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there Dead
Jim".

McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o


As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive, even for
a troll.

"George" wrote in message
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
even for
a troll.

No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it with
PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks. NOT

"zookeeper" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
even for
a troll.

No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it with
PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks. NOT


Like the Russians say, tough ****sky.

"zookeeper" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
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"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
even for
a troll.

No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it
with
PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks. NOT
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Uh, I didn't write: "As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was
quite inventive,
even for a troll."

Please SNIP carefully after checking headers for forgeries.
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McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

"George" wrote in message
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Jxxxxxx said: Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or
quarters sticks. you
time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there
Dead
Jim".

As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
even for
a troll.
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It shows you how his mind works.... yes, it sounded sick to me as well. :þ
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o