Pond in planning stages

"~Roy~" wrote in message
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Gill

What part of the country are you in? Folks routinely get by with ponds
of 2 1/2 to 3 feet deep up in Rhode Island and Pennnsylvania during
winter months, and not all of them use a heater, but do maintain an
opening in the ice. A simple air pump will work in most cases to keep
a hole in the ice........but an external temporary shelter made out of
PVC pipe framework covered in plastic sheeting does a lot of good as
well. It doe snot matter if your pond is 4 feet deep and it only
freezes to 3 feet the fish will still be ok..............with or
without a heater. Running a heater is not cheap.......

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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

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I'm in the South East of England...I have seen frost freeze at least 18
inches of stagnent water (in a wheelbarrow). Plus I had a pond here once
that was around 30inches and the ice didn't seem to kill the fish - the
location did
:-( ....under trees - a lesson hard learnt that has put me off for a good 5
years from trying again...this time I think we have the location right...

Running a heater is not a cheap option but when we already run 6 on the
tropicals I guess one more won't hurt.....I did the ball thing the first
year of my original pond and it seemed to work....

If I get coerced, (which seems quite likely) into the Koi, from what I've
read they would actually appreciate the extra depth....what do you think?

BTW if I gardened naked the colour I would go is blue - LOL

Gill

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"~Roy~" wrote in message
...
Gill

What part of the country are you in? Folks routinely get by with ponds
of 2 1/2 to 3 feet deep up in Rhode Island and Pennnsylvania during
winter months, and not all of them use a heater, but do maintain an
opening in the ice. A simple air pump will work in most cases to keep
a hole in the ice........but an external temporary shelter made out of
PVC pipe framework covered in plastic sheeting does a lot of good as
well. It doe snot matter if your pond is 4 feet deep and it only
freezes to 3 feet the fish will still be ok..............with or
without a heater. Running a heater is not cheap.......

==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

I'm in the South East of England...I have seen frost freeze at least 18
inches of stagnent water (in a wheelbarrow). Plus I had a pond here once
that was around 30inches and the ice didn't seem to kill the fish - the
location did
:-( ....under trees - a lesson hard learnt that has put me off for a good 5
years from trying again...this time I think we have the location right...

Running a heater is not a cheap option but when we already run 6 on the
tropicals I guess one more won't hurt.....I did the ball thing the first
year of my original pond and it seemed to work....

If I get coerced, (which seems quite likely) into the Koi, from what I've
read they would actually appreciate the extra depth....what do you think?

BTW if I gardened naked the colour I would go is blue - LOL

Gill


Why should having your pond under your trees kill your fish? Are they
poisonous? Did they fall into the pond? Of course, you will get debris falling
off them, and leaves in the fall, but you can always pull it out. Regular
maintenance should take care of that problem. In fact, having to regularly
remove debris from the pond has actually made me a better ponder, since I pay
more attention to details. My pond is located partially under a neighbors'
large pin oak tree (it partially grows over the fenceline and shades the part of
my property where the pond is located). I have actually found it to be
beneficial for the pond since it provides shade for the entire morning, so that
the only time the pond is in direct sunlight (all day sun is will usually help
create a real algae monster) is in the afternoon. By evening, the sun is on the
other side of the house, so the pond goes back in shade. As for Koi, as I said
in another post, Koi are wonderful, but can be destructive of plants when they
get large. But they are a lot of fun to raise. I've raised several large
species (I also have a 10 lbs albino channel catfish in the pond), and I have
yet to find a large fish that I like raising better than the Koi (well, I am
partial to the one big cat - he does have quite a personality). But Koi truly
are remarkable fish.

Here is an small movie (in .mov format) of my pond from last year:

http://home.insightbb.com/~jryates/catfish_eating.MOV

"George" wrote in message
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"Gill Passman" gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk wrote in message
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"~Roy~" wrote in message
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Gill

What part of the country are you in? Folks routinely get by with ponds
of 2 1/2 to 3 feet deep up in Rhode Island and Pennnsylvania during
winter months, and not all of them use a heater, but do maintain an
opening in the ice. A simple air pump will work in most cases to keep
a hole in the ice........but an external temporary shelter made out of
PVC pipe framework covered in plastic sheeting does a lot of good as
well. It doe snot matter if your pond is 4 feet deep and it only
freezes to 3 feet the fish will still be ok..............with or
without a heater. Running a heater is not cheap.......

==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

I'm in the South East of England...I have seen frost freeze at least 18
inches of stagnent water (in a wheelbarrow). Plus I had a pond here once
that was around 30inches and the ice didn't seem to kill the fish - the
location did
:-( ....under trees - a lesson hard learnt that has put me off for a
good 5
years from trying again...this time I think we have the location
right...

Running a heater is not a cheap option but when we already run 6 on the
tropicals I guess one more won't hurt.....I did the ball thing the first
year of my original pond and it seemed to work....

If I get coerced, (which seems quite likely) into the Koi, from what
I've
read they would actually appreciate the extra depth....what do you
think?

BTW if I gardened naked the colour I would go is blue - LOL

Gill


Why should having your pond under your trees kill your fish? Are they
poisonous? Did they fall into the pond? Of course, you will get debris
falling
off them, and leaves in the fall, but you can always pull it out. Regular
maintenance should take care of that problem. In fact, having to
regularly
remove debris from the pond has actually made me a better ponder, since I
pay
more attention to details. My pond is located partially under a
neighbors'
large pin oak tree (it partially grows over the fenceline and shades the
part of
my property where the pond is located). I have actually found it to be
beneficial for the pond since it provides shade for the entire morning, so
that
the only time the pond is in direct sunlight (all day sun is will usually
help
create a real algae monster) is in the afternoon. By evening, the sun is
on the
other side of the house, so the pond goes back in shade. As for Koi, as I
said
in another post, Koi are wonderful, but can be destructive of plants when
they
get large. But they are a lot of fun to raise. I've raised several large
species (I also have a 10 lbs albino channel catfish in the pond), and I
have
yet to find a large fish that I like raising better than the Koi (well, I
am
partial to the one big cat - he does have quite a personality). But Koi
truly
are remarkable fish.

Here is an small movie (in .mov format) of my pond from last year:

http://home.insightbb.com/~jryates/catfish_eating.MOV



The trees in question are sycamores....I spend almost a daily battle
identifying them and pulling them out of my garden right now....even over
150 feet from the source....When we had the pond up there I struggled
pulling out the dead leaves 2-4 times a week from the pond til it became to
dark for me to do this after work......never, ever again will I put a pond
up there.

I know, now, that I could have done a lot more....but if there are easier
places in the garden to site a pond I'm all for it.....BTW that lawn needs
to go in a few years...we all hate mowing....great place for a natural pond
......lol

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"George" wrote in message
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"~Roy~" wrote in message
...
Gill

What part of the country are you in? Folks routinely get by with ponds
of 2 1/2 to 3 feet deep up in Rhode Island and Pennnsylvania during
winter months, and not all of them use a heater, but do maintain an
opening in the ice. A simple air pump will work in most cases to keep
a hole in the ice........but an external temporary shelter made out of
PVC pipe framework covered in plastic sheeting does a lot of good as
well. It doe snot matter if your pond is 4 feet deep and it only
freezes to 3 feet the fish will still be ok..............with or
without a heater. Running a heater is not cheap.......

==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

I'm in the South East of England...I have seen frost freeze at least 18
inches of stagnent water (in a wheelbarrow). Plus I had a pond here once
that was around 30inches and the ice didn't seem to kill the fish - the
location did
:-( ....under trees - a lesson hard learnt that has put me off for a
good 5
years from trying again...this time I think we have the location
right...

Running a heater is not a cheap option but when we already run 6 on the
tropicals I guess one more won't hurt.....I did the ball thing the first
year of my original pond and it seemed to work....

If I get coerced, (which seems quite likely) into the Koi, from what
I've
read they would actually appreciate the extra depth....what do you
think?

BTW if I gardened naked the colour I would go is blue - LOL

Gill


Why should having your pond under your trees kill your fish? Are they
poisonous? Did they fall into the pond? Of course, you will get debris
falling
off them, and leaves in the fall, but you can always pull it out. Regular
maintenance should take care of that problem. In fact, having to
regularly
remove debris from the pond has actually made me a better ponder, since I
pay
more attention to details. My pond is located partially under a
neighbors'
large pin oak tree (it partially grows over the fenceline and shades the
part of
my property where the pond is located). I have actually found it to be
beneficial for the pond since it provides shade for the entire morning, so
that
the only time the pond is in direct sunlight (all day sun is will usually
help
create a real algae monster) is in the afternoon. By evening, the sun is
on the
other side of the house, so the pond goes back in shade. As for Koi, as I
said
in another post, Koi are wonderful, but can be destructive of plants when
they
get large. But they are a lot of fun to raise. I've raised several large
species (I also have a 10 lbs albino channel catfish in the pond), and I
have
yet to find a large fish that I like raising better than the Koi (well, I
am
partial to the one big cat - he does have quite a personality). But Koi
truly
are remarkable fish.

Here is an small movie (in .mov format) of my pond from last year:

http://home.insightbb.com/~jryates/catfish_eating.MOV



The trees in question are sycamores....I spend almost a daily battle
identifying them and pulling them out of my garden right now....even over
150 feet from the source....When we had the pond up there I struggled
pulling out the dead leaves 2-4 times a week from the pond til it became to
dark for me to do this after work......never, ever again will I put a pond
up there.

That makes sense. I don't like sycamores either. They look good in the woods,
but in the yard? Forget it.

I know, now, that I could have done a lot more....but if there are easier
places in the garden to site a pond I'm all for it.....BTW that lawn needs
to go in a few years...we all hate mowing....great place for a natural pond
.....lol


I hear you. I have a half an acre, and I've been slowly adding plantings every
year to fill it up. I hate to mow as well. In fact...