Increasing tank capacity

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:48:40 -0400, "Scott" smaxell1{at}hotmail.com
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"Peter in New Zealand" wrote in message
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Elaine T wrote:
Peter in New Zealand wrote:

NetMax wrote:

"Peter in New Zealand" wrote in message
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I have a medium sized tank which is very underloaded with just three
fish. It's been running like this for about a month now and everything
seems to have settled down and got comfortable. I started out with a
really cheap internal filter that blew lots of bubbles but didn't seem
to do a whole lot of filtering. When I pulled it to bits to see how it
worked I just couldn't see how it was expected to do anything but the
most primitive filtering. I guess you get what you pay for, and it was
cheap. Recently I installed a Hagen Stingray internal filter. I keep
it running all the time and the filtering and circulation it provides
is wonderful. My question is this - does increasing the filtering
increase the practical capacity of the tank? In others words can I
carry more fish comfortably? Obviously there would be a practical
limit to all this, but within reasonable limits would this be a
correct assumption? The Hagen has plastic foam, for biological
filtering I presume when the bacteria get established, and two
activated carbon cartridges. Thanks for any comments - I really am a
little new to all this.

--
Peter in New Zealand.
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You would need to specify how many gallons your medium tank is for more
specific advice, but if I recall the design of the Hagen Stingray, I
don't think that would keep up with only one Jar Jar Binks, and I don't
know what your other 2 fish are. If all three are goldfish, then your
aquarium is between 30 and 60g and generally speaking, will need more
than average filtration (goldfish!).

Generally, increasing the filtration (by adding more filters) will
increase the tank's capacity, however whether this is a practical
increase depends on what the next constraint is. For example, in a
tall narrow tank, an early constraint is the re-oxygenation of the
water. Extra filtration might help (extra turbulence at the surface),
but you would get into trouble faster during a power failure, so might
not be a practical increase.

Another example is substituting the only filter with a much larger
filter (on any tank). Any single mechanical failure would more rapidly
adversely affect the fish if you had added more because of the larger
filter.

A last example is that adding more fish load creates more waste, which
extra filtering will help with but only to a point. You would need to
also increase the other maintenance (gravel vacuuming, water changes)
to address what the filter cannot help with (solid waste accumulation
and dissolving back into the water).

As a general rule (which works nicely with goldfish), if you need
filtration for a 40g, then use two filters, each rated for a 30g and
clean them on an alternating schedule.



The tank is a 37.5 litre, which I think converts to about 10 US gallons,
and the other two fish are humble little goldfish. The three each
average about 5 to 6 centimetres long, including tail. I have an UNF
with two risers driven by an air pump that runs continually, as does the
Stingray, so I assume aeration is not an issue. It's not a big tank I
agree, but it does look rather underpopulated. I had hoped to be able to
slowly ramp up to about ten or twelve of the little fellas in there. At
the oment after about a month's running the fish are happy, crap on the
bottom is minimal, ph is steady at around 7.2. What do you think? Can I
hope to increase from just three little inmates? Thanks.

Healthy goldfish grow rather large and put out a lot of waste. Believe
it or not, goldfish fanciers like to allow 10 gallons per adult fish.
Your fish are juveniles, but goldies can grow pretty quickly given clean
water and good food. I personally wouldn't add any more fish to that
tank.

Hoo, ah, well, that's disappointing. You don't think their growth can be
limited by the size of their environment like some tropicals are?


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Peter in New Zealand.
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So if I put my kids in a box, they are going to stop growing to fit the
space they are in? Sounds convenient... they are big enough as it is... less
food and less clothes to buy...

---scott

I believe it was the ancient Chinese that would tightly bind the feet
of aristocratic girls to keep them small indicating they were not born
to be useful. Maybe someone remembers more accurate information about
this discontinued practice.

dick

"Dick" wrote in message
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:48:40 -0400, "Scott" smaxell1{at}hotmail.com
wrote:


"Peter in New Zealand" wrote in message
...
Elaine T wrote:
Peter in New Zealand wrote:

NetMax wrote:

"Peter in New Zealand" wrote in message
news
I have a medium sized tank which is very underloaded with just three
fish. It's been running like this for about a month now and
everything
seems to have settled down and got comfortable. I started out with a
really cheap internal filter that blew lots of bubbles but didn't
seem
to do a whole lot of filtering. When I pulled it to bits to see how
it
worked I just couldn't see how it was expected to do anything but
the
most primitive filtering. I guess you get what you pay for, and it
was
cheap. Recently I installed a Hagen Stingray internal filter. I keep
it running all the time and the filtering and circulation it
provides
is wonderful. My question is this - does increasing the filtering
increase the practical capacity of the tank? In others words can I
carry more fish comfortably? Obviously there would be a practical
limit to all this, but within reasonable limits would this be a
correct assumption? The Hagen has plastic foam, for biological
filtering I presume when the bacteria get established, and two
activated carbon cartridges. Thanks for any comments - I really am a
little new to all this.

--
Peter in New Zealand.
Pull the plug out to reply.




You would need to specify how many gallons your medium tank is for
more
specific advice, but if I recall the design of the Hagen Stingray, I
don't think that would keep up with only one Jar Jar Binks, and I
don't
know what your other 2 fish are. If all three are goldfish, then
your
aquarium is between 30 and 60g and generally speaking, will need more
than average filtration (goldfish!).

Generally, increasing the filtration (by adding more filters) will
increase the tank's capacity, however whether this is a practical
increase depends on what the next constraint is. For example, in a
tall narrow tank, an early constraint is the re-oxygenation of the
water. Extra filtration might help (extra turbulence at the surface),
but you would get into trouble faster during a power failure, so
might
not be a practical increase.

Another example is substituting the only filter with a much larger
filter (on any tank). Any single mechanical failure would more
rapidly
adversely affect the fish if you had added more because of the larger
filter.

A last example is that adding more fish load creates more waste,
which
extra filtering will help with but only to a point. You would need
to
also increase the other maintenance (gravel vacuuming, water changes)
to address what the filter cannot help with (solid waste accumulation
and dissolving back into the water).

As a general rule (which works nicely with goldfish), if you need
filtration for a 40g, then use two filters, each rated for a 30g and
clean them on an alternating schedule.



The tank is a 37.5 litre, which I think converts to about 10 US
gallons,
and the other two fish are humble little goldfish. The three each
average about 5 to 6 centimetres long, including tail. I have an UNF
with two risers driven by an air pump that runs continually, as does
the
Stingray, so I assume aeration is not an issue. It's not a big tank I
agree, but it does look rather underpopulated. I had hoped to be able
to
slowly ramp up to about ten or twelve of the little fellas in there.
At
the oment after about a month's running the fish are happy, crap on
the
bottom is minimal, ph is steady at around 7.2. What do you think? Can
I
hope to increase from just three little inmates? Thanks.

Healthy goldfish grow rather large and put out a lot of waste. Believe
it or not, goldfish fanciers like to allow 10 gallons per adult fish.
Your fish are juveniles, but goldies can grow pretty quickly given
clean
water and good food. I personally wouldn't add any more fish to that
tank.

Hoo, ah, well, that's disappointing. You don't think their growth can be
limited by the size of their environment like some tropicals are?


--
Peter in New Zealand.
Pull the plug out to reply.

So if I put my kids in a box, they are going to stop growing to fit the
space they are in? Sounds convenient... they are big enough as it is...
less
food and less clothes to buy...

---scott

I believe it was the ancient Chinese that would tightly bind the feet
of aristocratic girls to keep them small indicating they were not born
to be useful. Maybe someone remembers more accurate information about
this discontinued practice.

dick

So instead of keeping them in a small tank, we should tie them up with
string?

I vaguely remember hearing about the footing binding thing at one point or
another... I will have to go get some string - of maybe thread will work,
lol.

---scott

In other words lets relax. Were all friends here. :-)

Ross