Poison ivy and ponds

I do not think Round Up is approved for use in and around any ponds
or waters........The companion product Rodeo is supposedly recomended
for use in and around water. Rodeo is used to kill aquatic weeds etc,
and it states how to use it "in" and around ponds etc, but then in its
cautions it says to keep it from getting into thr water.........go
figure. I always use a surfficant with any products I spray as it
makes for all the differences in the world in the plants ability to
hold thre treatment on its vegetation and not run off. Less wasted
product with a surfficant. I take a mop, saturate it, wring it out to
the point its not dripping, and just swab whatever I want killed. Been
doing it like that for years now in and around my pond without any
problems. I even managed to eliminate a lot of water clover and
parrots feather and cat tails this way...........

I don't think Roundup or Rodeo releases any problematic stuff once its
taken in by the plant, so what would have to be neutralized? These two
chemicals kill by going to the root system.......

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"Koi4Me" invalid@invalid wrote in message
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" George" wrote in message
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Hmmm. We are talking about plants here, aren't we? Roundup is an
herbicide, not an insecticide. Just thought I would clarify that point.
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And it's very difficult to kill poison ivy with Round-Up. It simply
turns
it yellow, some leaves may fall but it's back in no time. Getting the
root
to die is no easy task. Someone recommended we try Spectracide's
TripleStrike on it... we just picked some up the other day.
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I'm so allergic to it that I begin iching just having this conversation.
My method? Nuke the entire area and ask questions later.

"Stephen Henning" wrote in message
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"RichToyBox" wrote:

The following site says that roundup can be used to control the poison
ivy.
http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/...e/flora/poivy/

Roundup does work on poison ivy. I have been using it for many years.
You need to use a strong mixture and add a spreader/sticker and may need
to reapply. Roundup works best on mature plants that are sending sap to
the roots, since it works by killing the roots. On very tall vines of
poison ivy, cut the ivy off about chest high and spray the lower part.
Poison ivy spreads by the rhizomatous roots and the seeds which birds
spread in their guano.

## And that's how we believe it keeps showing up on our property. :-( We
used RoundUp at 6 oz. per gallon and had about a 50% killrate for poison ivy
in the past. I held cardboard behind it to avoid it going into the ponds
and sprayed what's tangled in the net and net's support 3 weeks ago. It
turned yellow and kept right on growing. Is it possible plants can develop
immunity to weed killers like bacteria develop immunity to antibiotics?

The botanist for the National Botanical Gardens in Washington DC said at
a
meeting several years ago, that Roundup can be used to control weeds in
natural ponds without affecting the fish and other animals. It is
apparently neutralized on contact with water.

It is not neutralized on contact with water since it is an aqueous
solution. It is neutralized with water which contains clay particles.
It is the clay that neutralizes it. It is best to apply with a brush or
a cotton glove over a plastic glove so there is not over-spray that gets
into the pond or hits plants you don't want to kill.

## This way sounds much safer around our fish... thanks! :-)

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On 8 Jun 2005 19:54:23 -0700, "mos" wrote:

I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
over my entire upper body by the time it was done with me. It took two
courses of steroids and lost time working in a neonatal ICU because it
was just a mess...so I have a healthy respect for it. It might not
bother you this year...but it might be havoc for a visitor. Now I get
the brush killer stuff right up close to it, with a paper plate cut, so
it forms a collar and I just spray that plant. Then after it is dead,
I use a plastic bag, grab it from the inside out and tie it up. Works
like a charm. It comes up right by my pond also. I'd get rid of
it....like I said, never was allergic, even walked through it....but
then one fine day, years later........"Leaves of three...let it be"
Maureen

A similar thing happened to my grandfather. He was leading his troops
(National Guard) and when they picked a place to camp, he said not to worry
about the poison ivy, he wasn't allergic and that he would pull it out. To
make a long story shorter, he found out then that he was no longer immune,
and even spent time in the infirmary to emphasize it. If it was only me,
I'd be content to just let it be, but I'm not the only one likely to come
in contact with it. Besides, there isn't a whole lot of it, only four
patches on the whole property, so I think I have a chance to "eradicate"
it. I know you can't really eradicate it, as it can easily be reseeded by
birds and stuff. We have fire ants here in the southeast too, and while
you can't really "eradicate" them, you can they can be kept to a minimum.
I sure don't want to do anything to encourage it, however.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
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"Koi-minator" invalid@invalid wrote:

Roundup does work on poison ivy. I have been using it for many years.
You need to use a strong mixture and add a spreader/sticker and may need
to reapply. Roundup works best on mature plants that are sending sap to
the roots, since it works by killing the roots. On very tall vines of
poison ivy, cut the ivy off about chest high and spray the lower part.
Poison ivy spreads by the rhizomatous roots and the seeds which birds
spread in their guano.

## And that's how we believe it keeps showing up on our property. :-( We
used RoundUp at 6 oz. per gallon and had about a 50% killrate for poison ivy
in the past.

I use Roundup at a rate of 4 oz per gallon and get 99% kill rate. I am
spraying new seedlings that have small roots. If you are spraying a
field with established rhizomes, then you will need to keep at it since
the rhizomes can extend many feet under ground. Unless you spray every
green leaf that comes out of the rhizome (which may extend over acres),
you won't effect a kill. If you cut a trench round the kill area about
a food deep, it will sever the rhizome around your kill area so you can
get a complete kill. If you plow a field of rhizomes, every piece will
form a new plant.

In large areas, mowing repeatedly may drain the rhizomes enough so that
spraying will be more effective or not even necessary.
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Stephen Henning wrote:

If you are spraying a
field with established rhizomes, then you will need to keep at it since
the rhizomes can extend many feet under ground.

I should have said many feet laterally under ground. They never go very
deep. When I plant Christmas trees, I pull out long poison ivy
rhizomes. They are usually never more than 3 or 4 inches below the
surface. I am allergic to poison ivy so I wear gloves, long sleeves and
wrist guards. When I come in I put my clothes in the wash and
immediately take a good shower with a strong soap. I seldom get much of
any rash.
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"Stephen Henning" wrote in message
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"Koi-minator" invalid@invalid wrote:

Roundup does work on poison ivy. I have been using it for many years.
You need to use a strong mixture and add a spreader/sticker and may
need
to reapply. Roundup works best on mature plants that are sending sap
to
the roots, since it works by killing the roots. On very tall vines of
poison ivy, cut the ivy off about chest high and spray the lower part.
Poison ivy spreads by the rhizomatous roots and the seeds which birds
spread in their guano.

## And that's how we believe it keeps showing up on our property.
:-( We
used RoundUp at 6 oz. per gallon and had about a 50% killrate for poison
ivy
in the past.

I use Roundup at a rate of 4 oz per gallon and get 99% kill rate. I am
spraying new seedlings that have small roots. If you are spraying a
field with established rhizomes, then you will need to keep at it since
the rhizomes can extend many feet under ground. Unless you spray every
green leaf that comes out of the rhizome (which may extend over acres),
you won't effect a kill. If you cut a trench round the kill area about
a food deep, it will sever the rhizome around your kill area so you can
get a complete kill. If you plow a field of rhizomes, every piece will
form a new plant.

$$ Thanks Stephen. No acres of the ivy. It's just a few large plants that
came up around the ponds rock necklace. I sprayed them again today (last of
the Round-Up) and made sure to cover all the leaves that I could see.
They're still a bit yellow from the last spraying. I'm so deadly allergic
to them I find it difficult to get to all the leaves since they are tangled
with the net in places, the English ivy, daylillies, hostas and the other
plants around the pond's berm. I will get the rash right through a long
sleeve shirt and sometimes jeans. :-(

In large areas, mowing repeatedly may drain the rhizomes enough so that
spraying will be more effective or not even necessary.

$$ When we redo the collapsing berm/sides my husband will grub it out by the
roots if possible, and we'll spray, spray, spray since the fish will be in a
1,500 gallon holding pool behind the house - far from the spray. I also
plan to use that landscape cloth to help hold down unwanted plants including
the poison ivy. I should never have taken the advice to make the sides
almost straight as now we have a problem with them collapsing or bellying
in.

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I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
over my entire upper body by the time it was done with me.

This isn't that unusual. Someone, largely immune to poison ivy or poison
oak, can swing about one day and have a very bad reaction.

C//

mos wrote:
I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it

Yep, same thing happened to my 70 year old mother. Hospital, steroids,
the whole lot.
Don't take this stuff for granted. I know people who can't go into
their yard. The slightest contact causes a life threatening reaction.

Don't use round-up near water. If you do use it, it helps to apply on
cloudy days. Sunlight breaks it down quickly.

Remember that even dead, dried up poison ivy can cause a reaction. (Of
course never burn it.) Clean tools/gloves with bleach water. (I once got
some inside my tennis shoes. Every time I wore them I got it between my
toes. Now every time I get it, it pops up there.

Stop it young if possible.

mark B.

Oh yeah, I forgot this little tidbit. If you get poison ivy and can't
stop the itching, run the effected area under the hottest water you can
stand. While running under water you will have the most intense
sensation you can imagine. It's like all the itching is coming out at
once. Afterward you will get a short period of relief. You may feel
the desire to smoke a cigarette.

Mark B.