koi ulcer question

I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up.. I also didn't have
any problems in the past when using the stuff,, but never had to deal with
injuries like this.

so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use?

my injuries are a "bunch" of scales & 'meat' scraped off about the size
between a nickle & quarter.


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Once I started using Lymnozyme not one koi ever developed an ulcer, even
after spawning when some injured themselves. One had a nasty injury on
his
back this year and it healed in a week. If you can catch them you can
treat the injuries themselves with Methiolate or whatever is recommended
these days.
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McKoi.... the frugal ponder...

"*muffin*" wrote in message
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I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up..

## Yes, and keep it in the fridge! It works, but not if you forget to use
it. :-)

I also didn't have
any problems in the past when using the stuff,, but never had to deal with
injuries like this.

## It works even with nasty injuries.

so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use?

## YES!!!! But I don't wait for spawning or injuries. I add it as soon as
they become active in the spring.

my injuries are a "bunch" of scales & 'meat' scraped off about the size
between a nickle & quarter.

## If the injury is already infected you may need to treat it once to clean
the dead tissue away etc. But add the Lymozyme as soon as possible. I
have seen some nasty ulcers clear up rapidly when Lymozyme was added to the
pond. No other treatment was given. We had awful problems with ulcers
several years back here in TN. I don't think any ponds were spared.......
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McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
Do not feed the trolls.
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"Lovin' Spoonful" wrote in message
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"*muffin*" wrote in message
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I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up..

## Yes, and keep it in the fridge! It works, but not if you forget to
use
it. :-)
## YES!!!! But I don't wait for spawning or injuries. I add it as
soon as
they become active in the spring.

yes I have been using the stuff for a few years, but right before I wanted
to put it in this year I found my bottle was frozen.... so had to order a
new one. I was concerned that the box it arrived in, everything was 'warm'
( could have sworn the last order I got had an ice bag in it!)

I do keep it in the fridge, I just hope the 'warmth' of the delivery didn't
screw it up!

"*muffin*" wrote in message
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yes I have been using the stuff for a few years, but right before I wanted
to put it in this year I found my bottle was frozen.... so had to order a
new one. I was concerned that the box it arrived in, everything was 'warm'
( could have sworn the last order I got had an ice bag in it!)

$$ Prime example of why I don't buy some things mail order. I have an
Aquarium store about 20 miles from here that sells Lymnozyme and so I drive
there for it. I take my small cooler and an ice-pack with me. Needless to
say I come straight home from the store and the bottle is still chilled.
:-)

I do keep it in the fridge, I just hope the 'warmth' of the delivery
didn't
screw it up!

$$ I suppose that would depend on how long it was "warmed up" and just how
warm it go........
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
Do not feed the trolls.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

yes I have been using the stuff for a few years, but right before I wanted
to put it in this year I found my bottle was frozen.... so had to order a
new one. I was concerned that the box it arrived in, everything was 'warm'
( could have sworn the last order I got had an ice bag in it!)

I do keep it in the fridge, I just hope the 'warmth' of the delivery didn't
screw it up!

"Supposedly" (so told by a dealer) the expiration date on the bottle is if
kept at room temp. It will last twice as long in the frig. Not sure what
too warm would do to it. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:26:12 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote:

so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use?

I'll agree with that, assuming the ulcers aren't too deep. What color are
they? If white, that is good healing, equal to a healthy scab on us.

If the ulcers are bad, red, and getting worst, remove and put an end to the
fish as their stress becomes a stress to the rest of the fish. ~ jan


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"~ janj JJsPond.us" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:26:12 -0400, "*muffin*" wrote:

so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use?

I'll agree with that, assuming the ulcers aren't too deep. What color are
they? If white, that is good healing, equal to a healthy scab on us.

If the ulcers are bad, red, and getting worst, remove and put an end to
the
fish as their stress becomes a stress to the rest of the fish. ~ jan



the fish are very active, swimming, eating. the 'wound' on the lemon colored
one, looks reddish/black. the wound on the gold one. looks about the same as
the rest of the fish, only it is 'puffy' with scales missing.

(oh, I'll try to get a picture of them)

~~~~ waves to Jan!

You want to keep up the lymozyme on an ongoing basis - as I understand
it it "crowds out" the bad Aeromonas bacteria that would otherwise
infect your fish at any wound site.

I would suggest the addition of salt.
Referring to Erik Johnson DVM "Koi Health and Disease" for ulcers he
recommends 0.33% salt (2.5 lb/100 Gal) dividing the dose in to 3 parts
and adding over three days to avoid stressing the fish and filter. The
salt deters parasites and reduces stress on the fish by reducing the
osmotic pressure on them (their organs have to work to excrete water
from their tissues to maintain the right salt level in their bodies -
salt in the water = less work to maintain them selves).

If possible raise water temperature to 74-76 degrees Helps if you have
a "hospital tank".

Good luck bringing your fish back to health.
I hate to loose a fish no mater how much/little I have paid for them - I
just feel responsible.

Cheers.



*muffin* wrote:

I guess I'll just make sure the lymnozyme is kept up.. I also didn't have
any problems in the past when using the stuff,, but never had to deal with
injuries like this.

so , you are saying they did get better with just the lymnozyme use?

my injuries are a "bunch" of scales & 'meat' scraped off about the size
between a nickle & quarter.

"Greg Cooper" wrote in message
news:1O9se.71186$tt5.60114@edtnps90...
You want to keep up the lymozyme on an ongoing basis - as I understand
it it "crowds out" the bad Aeromonas bacteria that would otherwise
infect your fish at any wound site.
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And it does this very well. Even if they already have an ulcer - the ulcer
will heal rapidly. At least that's been my experience. We use it a few
times in the spring and keep it refrigerated at all times. The store we get
it from also keeps it cold.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
Do not feed the trolls.
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Koizyme is the same as Lymnozyme...........and its not designed to
CURE anything.Its merely designed to reduce infectious bateria levels,
giving a fish a hopefull edge in over coming a problem....It will not
cure or wipe out an infection by any means .......Pristine good
quality water in a QT will do the same thing, give your fish an edge
on potential problems.............



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