Dogs, mirrors, self awareness...

dh@. wrote:

From what little I've seen about it so far, it looks
to me like some people actually believe dogs are not
aware of themselves simply because they don't appear
to recognise their reflection in a mirror.

Not "only" because of that, ****wit. But the mirror
test *IS* a widely acknowledged test of self-awareness
among researchers into animal intelligence, and dogs
fail it.


To me that only
means they don't understand a mirror, and has absolutely
nothing to do with whether or not they have a mental
concept of themselves.

You aren't an animal intelligence researcher, ****wit.

Dogs do NOT give any evidence of self awareness,
****wit. They give NO evidence of understanding that
they exist at a particular place and time.

You can't even *define* self awareness, ****wit, so
everything you say about whether or not dogs have it is
meaningless. You simply don't know what you're talking
about. Once again, it's just standard ****wit David
Harrison bull****.



The facts that they have a mental concept of their
objects, their territory, their urine, their body, etc, are
all indications that they have a mental concept of
themselves, imo.

Your opinion is based on ignorance and deceit, ****wit.
Your opinion doesn't matter.

http://www.sciam.com/1998/1198intell...198debate.html


The fact that they are aware of different individual
beings

Are they, ****wit? What kind of awareness do they
have, ****wit? How do you know?

is a very strong indication that they are aware
of themselves as an individual also imo,

I always love your stupid "imo", ****wit. It's the
proof positive that you don't know what the **** you're
talking about. You're just bull****ting.

There is no logical connection between what you say is
dogs' awareness of other beings and their supposed self
awareness; no logical connection at all. You've merely
said it exists, without any foundation for your belief.