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Thanks for the reply.

The fish with fin rot is one of my (4) discus. One of its pectoral
fins is ragged and slowly seems to be wasting away, and it's a bit
whitish on the edges.

The water quality is very good. 0 Ammonia and Nitrites, of course, and
Nitrates 20 ppm. The temperature is at 86, and the GH is 2-3
degrees. (I do water changes daily).

The fish seems healthy otherwise (is eating, etc). The only thing
which happened recently out of the ordinary was a treatment of internal
parasites in one of the others. (They completely recovered in 2
days). I treated with Jungle "Parasite Clear" tabs, since I couldn't
find any plain metronidazole in my area (I've ordered some to be ready
in the future).

Like I said, right now he seems healthy except for the fin rot, which
he's had for probably 5-6 days. It's claimed perhaps 15% of the fin,
or maybe a bit more. He also seems to avoid using the fin sometimes.

What is mercurichrome and where do I get it?
I've often heard of "dabbing" affected areas. What's the best way to
do something like that?

Thanks very much for your help,
Wes

I wonder whether the Jungle Parasite Clear tabs changed the bacterial
balance in your tank, causing the fin infection. I don't usually like
to put metronidazole in a display tank, although I understand the
challenges inherent in quarantining discus.

I did a quick google search and discovered that the FDA has banned the
sale of mercurochrome across state lines so it's almost impossible to
come by. It WAS a very effective topical antiseptic that kept small
cuts and woulds from scarring, now illegal because it contains small
amounts of mercury.

My second choice would be plain old Neosporin (triple antibiotic)
ointment from the drug store. Frank from alt.aquaria made me aware of
it's usefulness on fish and I've since used it as a preventative on an
injured discus with good success. To "dab" a medicine on a fish, you
net the fish, gently hold him out of the water, and use a cotton swab to
apply medicine to the affected area.

Problem is, you will need to reapply antibiotic for a few days since
there's probably an active infection. This isn't a big deal for most
fish, but if your discus are like mine, they don't like being handled.
I can see the appeal of the food and don't know which I'd choose myself.
Probably the Neosporin and see how the fish does after a two days of
handling him as gently as possible.

NetMax...you reading this?

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Thanks again for the prompt response!
The neosporin is a good tip. And thanks for telling me how to "dab" it
on.

Looking at the discus again today, it seems most of the "whitishness"
is gone from the fin. I'm not sure if it's still degrading.... Also,
15% was a bit high---it looks more like 10% to me now. In any case,
now I'm thinking of "wait-and-see"-ing, hoping it will start to grow
back on its own. Do you think I'm correct in my assumption that as
long as his behavior is normal otherwise, I'm not risking losing
valuable time to try to treat the problem more aggressively? He's
still eating very well, and in general looks okay, other than the fins.

I do have another tank (20 gallon) that I can use for quarantining the
fish, but, as you suggested, I'm very reluctant to do so with the
discus. In the case of the internal parasites, i also figured that
other fish in the tank were likely carriers (so best to treat
everything).

Thanks again,
Wes

wrote:
Thanks again for the prompt response!
The neosporin is a good tip. And thanks for telling me how to "dab" it
on.

Looking at the discus again today, it seems most of the "whitishness"
is gone from the fin. I'm not sure if it's still degrading.... Also,
15% was a bit high---it looks more like 10% to me now. In any case,
now I'm thinking of "wait-and-see"-ing, hoping it will start to grow
back on its own. Do you think I'm correct in my assumption that as
long as his behavior is normal otherwise, I'm not risking losing
valuable time to try to treat the problem more aggressively? He's
still eating very well, and in general looks okay, other than the fins.

I do have another tank (20 gallon) that I can use for quarantining the
fish, but, as you suggested, I'm very reluctant to do so with the
discus. In the case of the internal parasites, i also figured that
other fish in the tank were likely carriers (so best to treat
everything).

Thanks again,
Wes

The whitish color going away is a very good sign. I agree that "wait
and see" is a good approach, especially since your water is clean and
the meds are gone. Finrot is usually pretty slow to really harm large
fish, so there's generally plenty of time to treat. I'm still thinking
that the meds upset the bacterial balance in the tank and on your fish,
causing a bit of minor opportunistic infection - sounds like it's going
to clear up on its own.

That makes sense on the parasites and carriers. Hexamita are such a
pain on discus. I just hate sticking anything in a show tank, because
it always seems to get me in trouble.

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http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

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wrote:
Thanks for the reply.

The fish with fin rot is one of my (4) discus. One of its pectoral
fins is ragged and slowly seems to be wasting away, and it's a bit
whitish on the edges.

The water quality is very good. 0 Ammonia and Nitrites, of course,
and
Nitrates 20 ppm. The temperature is at 86, and the GH is 2-3
degrees. (I do water changes daily).

The fish seems healthy otherwise (is eating, etc). The only thing
which happened recently out of the ordinary was a treatment of
internal
parasites in one of the others. (They completely recovered in 2
days). I treated with Jungle "Parasite Clear" tabs, since I couldn't
find any plain metronidazole in my area (I've ordered some to be ready
in the future).

Like I said, right now he seems healthy except for the fin rot, which
he's had for probably 5-6 days. It's claimed perhaps 15% of the fin,
or maybe a bit more. He also seems to avoid using the fin sometimes.

What is mercurichrome and where do I get it?
I've often heard of "dabbing" affected areas. What's the best way to
do something like that?

Thanks very much for your help,
Wes

I wonder whether the Jungle Parasite Clear tabs changed the bacterial
balance in your tank, causing the fin infection. I don't usually like
to put metronidazole in a display tank, although I understand the
challenges inherent in quarantining discus.

I did a quick google search and discovered that the FDA has banned the
sale of mercurochrome across state lines so it's almost impossible to
come by. It WAS a very effective topical antiseptic that kept small
cuts and woulds from scarring, now illegal because it contains small
amounts of mercury.

My second choice would be plain old Neosporin (triple antibiotic)
ointment from the drug store. Frank from alt.aquaria made me aware of
it's usefulness on fish and I've since used it as a preventative on an
injured discus with good success. To "dab" a medicine on a fish, you
net the fish, gently hold him out of the water, and use a cotton swab
to apply medicine to the affected area.

Problem is, you will need to reapply antibiotic for a few days since
there's probably an active infection. This isn't a big deal for most
fish, but if your discus are like mine, they don't like being handled.
I can see the appeal of the food and don't know which I'd choose
myself. Probably the Neosporin and see how the fish does after a two
days of handling him as gently as possible.

NetMax...you reading this?

-
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html '__
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

Have you ever used scissors to cut away the affected ends? I imagine
that this would only be effective on soft rays where it was determined
that it was not a water quality issue, so you were not dealing with your
garden-variety fin rot.

If you decide to proceed, place a wet facecloth in the net (to avoid
slime coat abrasion during the procedure). Have a helper keep the fish
immobile. I keep the fish's head out of the water and do it quickly. It
might be possible to do this with the head still submerged ymmv. Use a
sharp set of scissors (practice on a supermarket fish if you think it
necessary, but it's comparable to cutting a kitten's claws in sensation).
Heals quickly and depending on the amount cut away, the fish might swim a
little awkwardly for a few days. A little Melafix in the water would
probably be a nice touch.
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