Estimate on price - building a pond

How much would I expect to pay? And
there's probably other stuff I haven't thought of, seeing as how I
haven't done this before.[/color]

Yup, find out what you are getting yourself into, before you go into
detail about cost.

Questions like, what are koi, what do they eat, what are their growth
rates.

How do they cope best, between the extremities of winter and Summer...

What sort of problems can be expected keeping koi, for example coping
with disease, disaster, breeding...

Consider the low density route (low cost, few fish, big pond) and the
high density route (very expensive, machine intensive)

How much work is involved...

A few other subjects you may want to consider... water gardening can
be a very useful stepping stone before making a big leap into keeping
the most demanding of big pond fish.

An armful of books on water gardening, pond keeping, fishkeeping, koi
keeping may save you a lot of grief which is usually associated with
leaping into buying koi, before finding out what to expect

A shovel might be a useful next step, to start pecking away at digging
through the Winter months

If you have the space and the inclination, a pond for koi can be as
simple as buying a rather largish pond liner (100'x40'), and digging a
couple of cubic yards a day, for a couple of months



Regards, andy
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adavisus

"adavisus" wrote in message
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How much would I expect to pay? And
there's probably other stuff I haven't thought of, seeing as how I
haven't done this before.

Yup, find out what you are getting yourself into, before you go into
detail about cost.

Questions like, what are koi, what do they eat, what are their growth
rates.

How do they cope best, between the extremities of winter and Summer...

What sort of problems can be expected keeping koi, for example coping
with disease, disaster, breeding...

Consider the low density route (low cost, few fish, big pond) and the
high density route (very expensive, machine intensive)

How much work is involved...

A few other subjects you may want to consider... water gardening can
be a very useful stepping stone before making a big leap into keeping
the most demanding of big pond fish.

An armful of books on water gardening, pond keeping, fishkeeping, koi
keeping may save you a lot of grief which is usually associated with
leaping into buying koi, before finding out what to expect

A shovel might be a useful next step, to start pecking away at digging
through the Winter months

If you have the space and the inclination, a pond for koi can be as
simple as buying a rather largish pond liner (100'x40'), and digging a
couple of cubic yards a day, for a couple of months[/color]
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All of this information can be found online, including right here. No need
to buy books if one is on a tight budget. ;-)
--
Reel McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:15:53 -0600, "Carol-Ann" wrote:


"adavisus" wrote in message
...

How much would I expect to pay? And
there's probably other stuff I haven't thought of, seeing as how I
haven't done this before.

Yup, find out what you are getting yourself into, before you go into
detail about cost.

Questions like, what are koi, what do they eat, what are their growth
rates.

How do they cope best, between the extremities of winter and Summer...

What sort of problems can be expected keeping koi, for example coping
with disease, disaster, breeding...

Consider the low density route (low cost, few fish, big pond) and the
high density route (very expensive, machine intensive)

How much work is involved...

A few other subjects you may want to consider... water gardening can
be a very useful stepping stone before making a big leap into keeping
the most demanding of big pond fish.

An armful of books on water gardening, pond keeping, fishkeeping, koi
keeping may save you a lot of grief which is usually associated with
leaping into buying koi, before finding out what to expect

A shovel might be a useful next step, to start pecking away at digging
through the Winter months

If you have the space and the inclination, a pond for koi can be as
simple as buying a rather largish pond liner (100'x40'), and digging a
couple of cubic yards a day, for a couple of months
==============================
All of this information can be found online, including right here. No need
to buy books if one is on a tight budget. ;-)[/color]

I'd say do the initial research online for convenience and a variety
of viewpoints. Ponding doesn't have to be expensive, but if $15 is
going to strain the budget, I'd suggest some other project. The pond
'world' doesn't need another poorly designed, poorly constructed pond.

PlainBill

"PlainBill" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:15:53 -0600, "Carol-Ann" wrote:


"adavisus" wrote in message
...

How much would I expect to pay? And
there's probably other stuff I haven't thought of, seeing as how I
haven't done this before.

Yup, find out what you are getting yourself into, before you go into
detail about cost.

Questions like, what are koi, what do they eat, what are their growth
rates.

How do they cope best, between the extremities of winter and Summer...

What sort of problems can be expected keeping koi, for example coping
with disease, disaster, breeding...

Consider the low density route (low cost, few fish, big pond) and the
high density route (very expensive, machine intensive)

How much work is involved...

A few other subjects you may want to consider... water gardening can
be a very useful stepping stone before making a big leap into keeping
the most demanding of big pond fish.

An armful of books on water gardening, pond keeping, fishkeeping, koi
keeping may save you a lot of grief which is usually associated with
leaping into buying koi, before finding out what to expect

A shovel might be a useful next step, to start pecking away at digging
through the Winter months

If you have the space and the inclination, a pond for koi can be as
simple as buying a rather largish pond liner (100'x40'), and digging a
couple of cubic yards a day, for a couple of months
==============================
All of this information can be found online, including right here. No
need
to buy books if one is on a tight budget. ;-)[/color]
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I'd say do the initial research online for convenience and a variety
of viewpoints. Ponding doesn't have to be expensive, but if $15 is
going to strain the budget, I'd suggest some other project.

## I have several pond books and can say I learned MORE online than from the
books. Our first pond was put in according to a Tetra Pond Book (a year
before we got online) and the information was awful. We have to redo the
berm on this first pond as we did the larger one this past summer. There
was little mention of soil types and how to stabilize the berm - and almost
nothing about predators.

The pond
'world' doesn't need another poorly designed, poorly constructed pond.

## Which you can make quite easily following the advice in some of the books
out there. The pond world doesn't *need* any artificial ponds at all for
that matter! LOL!!! :-) Ponds are fun, a hobby and certainly not
necessary for the world to go on.

Some people are on tight budgets and that should be considered - not
everyone has a 6 figure income.
--
Reel McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:15:53 -0600, "Carol-Ann" wrote:

snip

Or you could do as Carol Gulley / Reel McKoi does and just slitther
around behind the local quickie marts and strip malls and rip off
their shipping containers to use for small ponds.........


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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

More pictures for ideas:

See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Defrosted~
Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Get snow yet Jan?
I'm still having to cut grass once a week......send some cool weather
this way along with some rain.....


On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:29:10 -0800, ~ jan jjspond
wrote:

===More pictures for ideas:
===
===See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
===http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
===
=== ~Keep 'em Defrosted~
=== Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
=== To e-mail see website


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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

Get snow yet Jan?
I'm still having to cut grass once a week......send some cool weather
this way along with some rain.....

No snow, grass still needs winterizer fertilizer put down, but I think I'm
done mowing. ) ~ jan

~ jan jjspond Wrote:
Get snow yet Jan?
I'm still having to cut grass once a week......send some cool weather
this way along with some rain.....

No snow, grass still needs winterizer fertilizer put down, but I think
I'm
done mowing. ) ~ jan


Jan this brings back a memory for me. One year winter came early and
DH did not put the winter fertilizer down in the fall. So it sat in
the shed. Then in like late February he put it out- on top of the
snow. Yes- on top of the snow! So the snow melted- like 7 inches of
it- and some of it ran in to my pond, and in March the water was so pea
green thick you could cut it with a knife. The fish were gasping- we
set the pumps out early and unbelievably they survived.

I don't think he will do that again. lol


--
Koitoy

Bottom posted.

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"~roy" wrote in message
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Get snow yet Jan?
I'm still having to cut grass once a week......send some cool weather
this way along with some rain.....


On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:29:10 -0800, ~ jan jjspond
wrote:

===More pictures for ideas:
===
===See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
===http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
===
=== ~Keep 'em Defrosted~
=== Tri-Cities, WA Zone 7a
=== To e-mail see website


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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

I couldn't believe we had snow in town here in southern oregon (usa) (not at
my house lower down though) just a few days ago. Man - we might have a real
winter this year at last, you go ozone! With all of the garbage that was/is
going on here in this newsgroup I had actually thought you were one bad dude
roy! It's cool now that I see who the real perpetrator is you're all right
in my book roy, later! P.s. - my digital signature is above.