Hurt Betta and Goldfish , Help !!!

Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Koi-lo wrote:
## I assume the betta owners or those thinking about getting one (or
more)
would have a thermometer and use it. If someone keeps their house at
68
to
70F then I would say that is too cool for a tropical betta or any
tropical
fish - they need a heater. I find the water in the tanks and bowls is
always a little cooler than the temp of the room. Our house is on the
warm
side so even the platties don't have a heater. They too are thriving
and
reproducing.
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Well, I simply won't bother to argue with anyone not willing to learn
the proper way to house Bettas.

$$ You mean YOUR WAY to house bettas. When they live their full life
span
without sickness or disease then that way works also.

Simply because some of yours

$$ Excuse me - virtually ALL of mine.

are living to 4 yrs of age doesn't mean
they are kept in perfect conditions.

$$ Perfect in your estimation and you're entitled to your opinion. But
I'm
entitled to mine as well and I've been keeping them for 45 years.

74*f is TOO COLD!
You are just prolonging their chills.
In the wild their water temp is usually around 80*f. Breeding is
82-83*, not 80*f, as you have stated.

$$ I stated the temp I bred them at, and what worked for me.

Comparing a little jar,

$$ These little jars hold 1/2 gallon of water, gravel and a plant.
They're
changed weekly. Do you actually believe that betta breeders have filtered
and heated 1 to 2 gallon tanks for each male they raise to sell? I've
been
to other breeders facilities. They all kept them in jars, bottles,
whatever
was glass and held water. No gravel and no plants. Today I'm sure they
have water run-through setups, not heated, filtered tanks for each fish.

to an entire body of water is just silly.
So if you can't get the facts about Bettas correct, don't bother
replying to any Q's about them.

## Correct in YOUR OPINION. Many many people have bettas for years in
nothing more than a goldfish bowl. Maybe that's not 100% ideal, but
nothing
in life is.

I'll be glad to handle that for you.

## No need to.........
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$$ These little jars hold 1/2 gallon of water, gravel and a plant.

I've seen these tiny jars on your "Aquarium" part of the web page
youhave.
I doubt these hold a half gallon of water. They appear to be those tiny
"Ivy" bowls often used in crafts shops to hold potpouri, and in pet
shops to display male bettas until purchasing.

## Wrong, look again. Check the one on the lower left-hand side which is a
close-up of these bowls. Those round bowls hold a little less than 1/2
gallon of water and 1/4 cup of fine gravel. The water is changed every 7
days.

These are absolutley unacceptable as permanent housing.

## In your opinion. They build bubble nests, eat well, flare at each other,
beg for snacks and live up to 4 years. Seldom does one die sooner.

They're hardly bigger than the males they hold.
I wouldn't house a 2 month old juvie in something so small, let alone a
fully grown male for the rest of it's sad life!

## When I win the lottery I'll buy more 2 gallon tanks with filters and
heaters for each one. As I get 1 gallon jars they're moved to larger
quarters.
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## Wrong, look again. Check the one on the lower left-hand side which is a
close-up of these bowls. Those round bowls hold a little less than 1/2
gallon of water and 1/4 cup of fine gravel. The water is changed every 7
days.

Oh you are so silly that this is getting to be a joke,
You do realize that in the picture of them lined up in the TINY bowls
in your window that you have other things all around for size
comparison.
First you say they're half gallon bowls, now you say a little less than
a 1/2 a gallon.
Have you ever actually measured how much water those poor fish actually
have after you add the gravel?
Also, something so small should be changed 2 X's weekly if you won't
upgrade them to larger quarters.
It's a gallon that should be changed weekly.
That's a fact, not my opinion.