Storing ocean water

While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:
When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



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The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20 years
and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not being
circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
...
While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:
When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep
it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each
way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far
for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------


oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

Wao, at least someone makes sense.
A few people here just because they can´t see anything in the water they
think is inorganic.

Well, someone ought to tell them that ocean water is a living ecosystems.
It has producers, hervibores and carnivores in it. If it doesn't have light
and O2 it will die and decompose, then anaerobic reactions take place and it
becomes septic thus smelly! Phostphate and Nitrogen levels keep rising and
it will be toxic in no time.

Well, that is Organic Chemistry 101...

jrs
"BriMc" wrote in message
...
Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20 years
and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not being
circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
...
While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:
When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would
keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and
keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they
are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep
it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours
each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that
far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------


oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

Jaime R-S wrote on 1/10/2006 11:29 AM:
Wao, at least someone makes sense.
A few people here just because they can´t see anything in the water they
think is inorganic.

Well, someone ought to tell them that ocean water is a living ecosystems.
It has producers, hervibores and carnivores in it. If it doesn't have light
and O2 it will die and decompose, then anaerobic reactions take place and it
becomes septic thus smelly!

LOL I never stated that a person should seal up a
container so that oxygen could not get in.


Phostphate and Nitrogen levels keep rising and
it will be toxic in no time.

No it does not rise. It's already in there in biomas form,
as the plankton dies, bacteria breaks the protines down
into other forms of nitrogen, like amonia, nitrite, and
nitrate. This same thing will happen in an arated vat. But
we are talking long term storage here. Plankton will not
live long term even if it is aerated.


Well, that is Organic Chemistry 101...


LOL


Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



jrs
"BriMc" wrote in message
...

Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20 years
and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not being
circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
.. .

While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would
keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and
keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they
are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep
it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours
each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that
far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------


oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

What did you mean by "My statement was that salt water when kept long term
did not need to be kept airated."?

You said it, not me!

Please, don't answer, you are just going to step on it again!

jrs

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...


Jaime R-S wrote on 1/10/2006 11:29 AM:
Wao, at least someone makes sense.
A few people here just because they can´t see anything in the water they
think is inorganic.

Well, someone ought to tell them that ocean water is a living ecosystems.
It has producers, hervibores and carnivores in it. If it doesn't have
light and O2 it will die and decompose, then anaerobic reactions take
place and it becomes septic thus smelly!

LOL I never stated that a person should seal up a container so that oxygen
could not get in.


Phostphate and Nitrogen levels keep rising and it will be toxic in no
time.

No it does not rise. It's already in there in biomas form, as the plankton
dies, bacteria breaks the protines down into other forms of nitrogen, like
amonia, nitrite, and nitrate. This same thing will happen in an arated
vat. But we are talking long term storage here. Plankton will not live
long term even if it is aerated.


Well, that is Organic Chemistry 101...


LOL


Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



jrs
"BriMc" wrote in message
...

Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20
years and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not
being circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
. ..

While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would
keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and
keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they
are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to
keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks
in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours
each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that
far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------


oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

When I make salt water up, I use a pump to mix it well. I
mix for about 15 minutes or less, depending on when I get
back to it to turn off the pump. I put the lid on the
trash can. I like 33 gallon rubermade trash cans. The lid
is not air tight, but it reduces evaporation, and keeps
dust out. This water may sit for 3 to 6 months befor I
make a 50+% water change. I never airate it, or circulate
it at all after the initial mix. It then gets pumped into
the aquarium. There is no need to keep the water airated,
or cerculated for long term storage.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 1/10/2006 7:33 PM:
What did you mean by "My statement was that salt water when kept long term
did not need to be kept airated."?

You said it, not me!

Please, don't answer, you are just going to step on it again!

jrs

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...


Jaime R-S wrote on 1/10/2006 11:29 AM:

Wao, at least someone makes sense.
A few people here just because they can´t see anything in the water they
think is inorganic.

Well, someone ought to tell them that ocean water is a living ecosystems.
It has producers, hervibores and carnivores in it. If it doesn't have
light and O2 it will die and decompose, then anaerobic reactions take
place and it becomes septic thus smelly!

LOL I never stated that a person should seal up a container so that oxygen
could not get in.



Phostphate and Nitrogen levels keep rising and it will be toxic in no
time.

No it does not rise. It's already in there in biomas form, as the plankton
dies, bacteria breaks the protines down into other forms of nitrogen, like
amonia, nitrite, and nitrate. This same thing will happen in an arated
vat. But we are talking long term storage here. Plankton will not live
long term even if it is aerated.


Well, that is Organic Chemistry 101...


LOL


Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



jrs
"BriMc" wrote in message
...


Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20
years and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not
being circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
.. .


While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:


When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would
keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and
keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they
are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to
keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks
in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours
each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that
far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------


oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

Wayne,
If you bothered to reed the thread properly you should
have noticed that it was about natural salt water collected from the
ocean, therefore your statement was ridiculous, trying to wriggle out
by changing the subject to manufactured sea water does not do you any
good, admit your mistake and have done with it.!!!
regards,
unclenorm.


Wayne Sallee wrote:
When I make salt water up, I use a pump to mix it well. I
mix for about 15 minutes or less, depending on when I get
back to it to turn off the pump. I put the lid on the
trash can. I like 33 gallon rubermade trash cans. The lid
is not air tight, but it reduces evaporation, and keeps
dust out. This water may sit for 3 to 6 months befor I
make a 50+% water change. I never airate it, or circulate
it at all after the initial mix. It then gets pumped into
the aquarium. There is no need to keep the water airated,
or cerculated for long term storage.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Jaime R-S wrote on 1/10/2006 7:33 PM:
What did you mean by "My statement was that salt water when kept long term
did not need to be kept airated."?

You said it, not me!

Please, don't answer, you are just going to step on it again!

jrs

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
...


Jaime R-S wrote on 1/10/2006 11:29 AM:

Wao, at least someone makes sense.
A few people here just because they can´t see anything in the water they
think is inorganic.

Well, someone ought to tell them that ocean water is a living ecosystems.
It has producers, hervibores and carnivores in it. If it doesn't have
light and O2 it will die and decompose, then anaerobic reactions take
place and it becomes septic thus smelly!

LOL I never stated that a person should seal up a container so that oxygen
could not get in.



Phostphate and Nitrogen levels keep rising and it will be toxic in no
time.

No it does not rise. It's already in there in biomas form, as the plankton
dies, bacteria breaks the protines down into other forms of nitrogen, like
amonia, nitrite, and nitrate. This same thing will happen in an arated
vat. But we are talking long term storage here. Plankton will not live
long term even if it is aerated.


Well, that is Organic Chemistry 101...


LOL


Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



jrs
"BriMc" wrote in message
...


Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20
years and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not
being circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
.. .


While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:


When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would
keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and
keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they
are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to
keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks
in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours
each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that
far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------


oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

I have never had such problem.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/10/2006 9:31 AM:
While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?