Storing ocean water

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?

You can store any salt water as long as you want. It won't
go bad. The only exception is that water taken from the
ocean will have some plankton in it, and that will dye,
and effect the water. Also you don't want to get poluted
water.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



miskairal wrote on 1/9/2006 4:51 PM:
If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?

For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:
If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?

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The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?

Thanks guys.
I mostly want to do it to get costs down and I can go for a swim at the
same time. There are plenty of beaches near here that I don't think
would be polluted. I've heard of a few people closer to the ocean who
use seawater but then I don't know if they have problems either.

I doubt I'd get a powerhead through the opening on the drums which is a
shame as I have plenty of spares. I wonder if I were to remove enough
water for the next water change to a spare tank and just aerate it for a
week or so?

I'll definitely give it more consideration before deciding for or agin.



Wayne Sallee wrote:
When storing water for a long time it does not need to be kept
circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:

For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each
way) but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums
with only a small opening in the top. It's really not practical to
go that far for just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not
comfy and airconditioned and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?

While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:
When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



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The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20 years
and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not being
circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
...
While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:
When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep
it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each
way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far
for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



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The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

I have never had such problem.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/10/2006 9:31 AM:
While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?

Wao, at least someone makes sense.
A few people here just because they can´t see anything in the water they
think is inorganic.

Well, someone ought to tell them that ocean water is a living ecosystems.
It has producers, hervibores and carnivores in it. If it doesn't have light
and O2 it will die and decompose, then anaerobic reactions take place and it
becomes septic thus smelly! Phostphate and Nitrogen levels keep rising and
it will be toxic in no time.

Well, that is Organic Chemistry 101...

jrs
"BriMc" wrote in message
...
Roy you are absolutely correct.I have Been working with salt over 20 years
and have dumped many vats of salt water for sitting too long not being
circulated or airated.
"Roy" wrote in message
...
While I am far from an expert on the subject of storing salt water,
I have to say your about the only one that has taken the view of no
aeration being needed. From all the LFS and the multitudes of reef
and fish keepers on all the web based forums, they all seem to agree
it does need aeration..Just let a bucket of salt water set even if
covered, and in a short time it starts to smell pretty rank and stale.

Not that I dissagree as everyone has their own acceptable methods and
proceedures, but just thought I would point this out.



On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:46:15 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:
When storing water for a long time it does not need to be
kept circulated, or airated.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/9/2006 6:57 PM:
For a long long time.....However natural sewater you get from the
ocean will have a lot of undesirebale stuff in it which may create
more problems later on. As posted make sure it does not have any
polutants in it..pretty hard to verify that, and of course any
organic
material will start decomposing. If you decide to do it, I would
keep
it as cool as possible, in a dark container out of sunlight, and
keep
it aerated with a powerhead. Unless you use a large airstone they
are
not too effective or not as effective as usuing a powerhead to keep
it
agitated and aerated.....To be honest there is not a lot of foks in
any of the forums I visit that thinks usuing naturally collected
seawater to be a good thing mainly due to polutants and other
undesireables like algae etc.


On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:51:57 +1000, miskairal mehiding@Oz wrote:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I
store it
for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours
each way)
but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a
small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that
far for
just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned
and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?



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The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

Ummm Wayne.... seawater has many many living organisms in it.

I have used seawater from my backyard, out past the second sandbar
and even farther out, over the years and had far more trouble that it's
worth.....

Just asking for giant algae outbreaks that come all of a sudden
from minute particles in the water, even from the same spot of collecting
that have been no problem in the past... And you have red tide type
organisms
that show up from time to time and other marine diseases that float through.

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Wayne Sallee wrote:

You can store any salt water as long as you want. It won't go bad. The
only exception is that water taken from the ocean will have some
plankton in it, and that will dye, and effect the water. Also you
don't want to get poluted water.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



miskairal wrote on 1/9/2006 4:51 PM:

If I were to go to a beach and get salt water, how long could I store
it for and how should it be stored?

I can probably get around 800 litres in one trip (2 1/2 hours each
way) but the water would then be in 200 litre (44gallon) drums with
only a small opening in the top. It's really not practical to go that
far for just one drum of water and hubby's ute is not comfy and
airconditioned and it's summer here.

Would the water go off?


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