[water chemistry] Amquel+ and nitrites

I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?

BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?

"Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
or nitrates? "

No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor last month. He said
it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the product is interfering
with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is actually still
there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but more analytical
means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.


"BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"

Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically non-toxic in seawater, as
it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been a myth for decades
that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in FW.
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"Pszemol" wrote in message ...
: I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
:
: BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?

Nitrite (NO2-) is non-toxic in seawater?

Do you mean nitrate (NO3-)?

I have always thought NO2 Nitrite was toxic.

-Rick

"Boomer" wrote in message
...
"Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
or nitrates? "

No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor last
month. He said
it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the product
is interfering
with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is
actually still
there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but
more analytical
means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.


"BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"

Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically non-toxic
in seawater, as
it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been a
myth for decades
that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in
FW.
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"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
: I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
:
: BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?

I presumed he meant nitrites, sounds plausable... any more Myths you can
bust Boomer?

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"Richard Ryerson" wrote in message
...
Nitrite (NO2-) is non-toxic in seawater?

Do you mean nitrate (NO3-)?

I have always thought NO2 Nitrite was toxic.

-Rick

"Boomer" wrote in message
...
"Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
or nitrates? "

No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor
last
month. He said
it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the
product
is interfering
with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is
actually still
there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but
more analytical
means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.


"BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"

Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically
non-toxic
in seawater, as
it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been
a
myth for decades
that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in
FW.
--
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"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
: I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
:
: BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?

Boomer- my spectrophotometer is in the shop right now- can I borrow yours?
; )

"Boomer" wrote in message
...
"Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
or nitrates? "

No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor last
month. He said
it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the product
is interfering
with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is
actually still
there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but
more analytical
means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.


"BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"

Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically non-toxic
in seawater, as
it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been a
myth for decades
that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in
FW.
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"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
: I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
:
: BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?

Boomer- my spectrophotometer is in the shop right now- can I borrow yours?
; )

"Boomer" wrote in message
...
"Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
or nitrates? "

No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor last
month. He said
it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the product
is interfering
with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is
actually still
there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but
more analytical
means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.


"BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"

Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically non-toxic
in seawater, as
it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been a
myth for decades
that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in
FW.
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"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
: I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
:
: BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?

"I have always thought NO2 Nitrite was toxic:

No it is not. That doesn't mean let run off the scale.You still want it at 0. Most of the
so called Nitrite deaths are just delayed ammonia poisoning

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"Richard Ryerson" wrote in message
...
: Nitrite (NO2-) is non-toxic in seawater?
:
: Do you mean nitrate (NO3-)?
:
: I have always thought NO2 Nitrite was toxic.
:
: -Rick
:
: "Boomer" wrote in message
: ...
: "Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? "
:
: No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor last
: month. He said
: it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the product
: is interfering
: with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is
: actually still
: there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but
: more analytical
: means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.
:
:
: "BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"
:
: Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically non-toxic
: in seawater, as
: it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been a
: myth for decades
: that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in
: FW.
: --
: Boomer
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: "Pszemol" wrote in message
: ...
: : I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: : only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: : compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: : good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: : Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: : or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
: :
: : BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?
:
:
:
:

I don't have one Dr.. I just talk to people that do :-)

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"Dr. Drudge" wrote in message
t...
: Boomer- my spectrophotometer is in the shop right now- can I borrow yours?
: ; )
:
: "Boomer" wrote in message
: ...
: "Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? "
:
: No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor last
: month. He said
: it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the product
: is interfering
: with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is
: actually still
: there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but
: more analytical
: means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.
:
:
: "BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"
:
: Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically non-toxic
: in seawater, as
: it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been a
: myth for decades
: that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in
: FW.
: --
: Boomer
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: "Pszemol" wrote in message
: ...
: : I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: : only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: : compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: : good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: : Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: : or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
: :
: : BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?
:
:
:
:
:

Is it true for larvae tanks as well?
And how can it be ammonia poisoning if there is no detectable
ammonia but deaths still occurs, at elevated nitrite levels?

"Boomer" wrote in message ...
"I have always thought NO2 Nitrite was toxic:

No it is not. That doesn't mean let run off the scale.You still want it at 0. Most of the
so called Nitrite deaths are just delayed ammonia poisoning

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"Richard Ryerson" wrote in message
...
: Nitrite (NO2-) is non-toxic in seawater?
:
: Do you mean nitrate (NO3-)?
:
: I have always thought NO2 Nitrite was toxic.
:
: -Rick
:
: "Boomer" wrote in message
: ...
: "Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: or nitrates? "
:
: No, it will not remove nitrites or nitrates. I talked to the inventor last
: month. He said
: it is a line of BS from Kordon. What we have found out is that the product
: is interfering
: with the test kits giving false readings that it is gone, when it is
: actually still
: there.If you use other means for testing rather than the common kit, but
: more analytical
: means, such as a spectrophotometer, it is still there.
:
:
: "BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?"
:
: Quite high, much higher than you kit, as nitrite is basically non-toxic
: in seawater, as
: it has to compete with the chloride ion, which always wins. It has been a
: myth for decades
: that nitrite is much more toxic in SW than FW. It is much more toxic in
: FW.
: --
: Boomer
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: "Pszemol" wrote in message
: ...
: : I have noticed Amquel+ is advertised as to deal with not
: : only amonia (which is explained as to form a non-toxic
: : compound accessible to nitrifying bacteria) but also
: : good to deal with nitrite and nitrates...
: : Anybody knows how this product reacts with nitrites
: : or nitrates? What are the products of the reaction?
: :
: : BTW - what are toxic levels of nitrite for living critters?
:
:
:
:

Is it true for larvae tanks as well?
And how can it be ammonia poisoning if there is no detectable
ammonia but deaths still occurs, at elevated nitrite levels?

i *think* (we all know i dont do chemistry) the real phrase should be nitrite is not that
toxic, implying a comparison between ammonia/nitrite yes if you have high nitrite levels
it will harm your larva, and yes you can get high nitrite levels without having ammonia.
what levels equal high depend on the fish, clowns can do ok in 1ppm ammonia or nitrite
though you shouldnt sustain either. several others wont do well at 1ppm of either.

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