Black moor resting by heater

cindys wrote:

What happened is that my husband went to Petco yesterday and bought another
fish. Apparently, he asked the clerk about treating the fish for parasites.
The clerk said she didn't know what he was talking about, that she never
heard of such a thing. She told him that all he needed to do was to
acclimate the fish by keeping it in the plastic bag for 15 minutes submersed
in the tank, then dump it in. She did at least advise him to avoid mixing
the aquarium water from Petco with the water in our tank. My husband insists
that the clerk at Petco is the authority here and that we need to go with
the advice from the *experts* at Petco and not what people are telling me on
Usenet. giant sigh. Then, he started complaining that the tank is still
murky from the tetracycline (it's gradually getting clearer with the daily
water changes, but he claims it's getting worse...I think he's imagining
things....). He said that I should ask you guys how to get rid of the
tetracycline in the tank.

Regarding the new fish, since my husband did not buy any product to kill
potential parasites, I decided not to quarantine the new fish (and thus
avoid yet another potential argument). So, I threw caution to the wind and
followed the instructions from the clerk at Petco, and now I'm hoping for
the best and hoping that the new fish didn't bring in some disease or
parasites, especially since the other fish has grown in the short time we've
had her and seems to be thriving, although I have noticed that she seems to
have lost some of her black coloration since we've had her and is a bit more
gold. The new fish is also a black moor but seems to be a different variety.
My son deliberately picked out the smallest one in the Petco tank "so that
it could grow." The tail seems extremely short and is in 4 segments, unlike
the other black moor whose tail is long and luxurious and has a 3-segment
tail. Anyway, we'll see what happens. I keep checking the tank to ensure
that neither fish is showing signs of distress. So far so good, but we've
only had the new fish for a little over 12 hours...
Thank you everyone for your help. I will keep you posted.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.



I also just equalize new fishes' temperature then put them into the
community aquarium, discarding the pet store water. I know better, but
my quarantine aquariums have become permanent fish homes. With tropical
fish I've been getting away with this scott-free for several years, and
it has the advantage that the new fish have a stress-free life in the
big aquarium.

As to treating new fish with chemicals to get rid of (imaginary?)
parasites, that doesn't sound like a good idea. Why stress the fish
unnecessarily?

Two goldfish in 10 gallons really is too much, so keep up with weekly
partial water changes. And start saving for a 30 gallon aquarium .
Happy fish keeping!
Steve

"Steve" wrote in message
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I also just equalize new fishes' temperature then put them into the
community aquarium, discarding the pet store water. I know better, but my
quarantine aquariums have become permanent fish homes.

This happens with many of us. ;-)

With tropical
fish I've been getting away with this scott-free for several years, and it
has the advantage that the new fish have a stress-free life in the big
aquarium.

Quarantine tanks, if set up properly, are not stressful for the fish. An
empty tank with nothing but a filter intake may be!

As to treating new fish with chemicals to get rid of (imaginary?)

Parasites are not imaginary and they can be deadly. You never heard of ick
for instance? Do you own a microscope? My favorite fish store was selling
fish infested with gillflukes several years ago. They caught the
infestation themselves, admitted it and replaced the goldfish that died (in
my quarantine tank). The second problem was Costia! A very tiny parasite
you can't see with the naked eye, but very deadly. The chain stores are
sensitive to complaints of their customers, especially when you hand them a
slide with the parasites under a cover-glass. They replaced those fish as
well. Every fish you buy isn't going to have parasites but what about those
that do? You can lose every fish you have by purchasing ONE infested fish
that could have been quarantined and treated. They will replace those they
sold you that died but they will not replace the rest of your valuable fish.

parasites, that doesn't sound like a good idea. Why stress the fish
unnecessarily?

How is treating them for parasites stressful? Are you aware of the stress
they and you will endure if they *DO* have something like flukes or costia
and you add them to your community tank? :-(

Two goldfish in 10 gallons really is too much, so keep up with weekly
partial water changes. And start saving for a 30 gallon aquarium .
Happy fish keeping!
Steve
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Koi-lo wrote:



Parasites are not imaginary and they can be deadly. You never heard of
ick for instance? ...


How is treating them for parasites stressful?

WRT ich specifically, I've come to understand from this newsgroup and
other reading, that healthy, unstressed fish ward off the parasite and
are not affected. Stressing fish with a chemical dip or bath might be
just the recipe for making fish susceptible to ich and other things?

My fishkeeping hobby in the last 15 years has been much influenced by
reading a book by Stephen Spotte about fish and invertebrate culture. He
demonstrated quite conclusively that most common fish ailments are
brought on by stress. Minimizing stress leads to healthy fish. Spotte
was a great proponent of biological filtration (absence of ammonia/
nitrite leads to low stress) when it was not widely understood.

Steve

"Steve" wrote in message
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Koi-lo wrote:



Parasites are not imaginary and they can be deadly. You never heard of
ick for instance? ...


How is treating them for parasites stressful?

WRT ich specifically, I've come to understand from this newsgroup and
other reading, that healthy, unstressed fish ward off the parasite and are
not affected. Stressing fish with a chemical dip or bath might be just the
recipe for making fish susceptible to ich and other things?

I'm not talking about baths and dips Steve. I'm talking about using
something like Quick-Cure, Clout or AquraSol that you add to the water.
Even healthy fish can become stressed and of the parasites are already there
(because no one treated them) they're sitting ducks for disaster.

My fishkeeping hobby in the last 15 years has been much influenced by
reading a book by Stephen Spotte about fish and invertebrate culture. He
demonstrated quite conclusively that most common fish ailments are brought
on by stress.

I don't disagree. But stress can also be caused by a parasite problem -
then you have a runaway merry-go-round. The more the parasites stress the
fish the weaker it becomes which allows more parasites to reproduce which
causes more stress. That's simplifying it but you get the idea. Better to
remove the parasites first, before introducing the fish to your other fish.

Minimizing stress leads to healthy fish.

Even healthy fish can't ward off some of these parasites. Wait until your
fishes first infestation! :-(
Just the act of the breeder catching, bagging and shipping the fish to the
wholesaler is stressful. Then more stress as the WS catches, bags and ships
them to the stores. Then even more stress as the store catches and bags
them for you - you bring it home and there's even more stress in different
water, a different home, different food, different temperatures, strange
fish.... it's a wonder any of them survive.

Spotte
was a great proponent of biological filtration (absence of ammonia/
nitrite leads to low stress) when it was not widely understood.

Steve

Parasites are no respector of health. A hungry fluke will do as much
feeding damage to a healthy fish's gill rakers as it will a sick fishes gill
rakers. I know this from experience. A hungry tick, louse or mosquito
doesn't care if you're 100% healthy or about to die - they fill feed off you
just like a costia or ick parasite will feed off the first fish it attaches
itself to.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Fancy GF and koi are selected for other considerations than a good immune system.
But given that there are two conditions that lead a fish to disease; stress and HIGH
numbers of pathogens.
stress can result from lousy or toxic water, lousy or toxic food, not enough food,
low oxygen levels, overcrowding, harassment, loud noise, rapidly changing
temperatures or other pH, or etc. AND, medications.
My ponds have always been healthier for my fish even with more "cooties" because
there is less stress of other kinds especially there is no ammonia, no nitrates.
Even in well seasoned tanks nitrate levels are always a problem.
Ingrid

Steve wrote:
WRT ich specifically, I've come to understand from this newsgroup and
other reading, that healthy, unstressed fish ward off the parasite and
are not affected. Stressing fish with a chemical dip or bath might be
just the recipe for making fish susceptible to ich and other things?

My fishkeeping hobby in the last 15 years has been much influenced by
reading a book by Stephen Spotte about fish and invertebrate culture. He
demonstrated quite conclusively that most common fish ailments are
brought on by stress. Minimizing stress leads to healthy fish. Spotte
was a great proponent of biological filtration (absence of ammonia/
nitrite leads to low stress) when it was not widely understood.

Steve



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wrote in message
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Fancy GF and koi are selected for other considerations than a good immune
system.
But given that there are two conditions that lead a fish to disease;
stress and HIGH
numbers of pathogens........
======================
Parasites aside for a minute as they're not the only problem we can
introduce with new fish,...I would rather have any new kio or GF die in
quarantine than spread something like KHV or SVC to the rest of my fish.
No salt dip or Quick-Cure will cure these diseases.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Koi-lo wrote:
wrote in message
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Fancy GF and koi are selected for other considerations than a good immune
system.
But given that there are two conditions that lead a fish to disease;
stress and HIGH
numbers of pathogens........
======================
Parasites aside for a minute as they're not the only problem we can
introduce with new fish,...I would rather have any new kio or GF die in
quarantine than spread something like KHV or SVC to the rest of my fish.
No salt dip or Quick-Cure will cure these diseases.
--
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3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345

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Why does Carol behave as she does?


Carolyn Adamo Gulley of Mt Juliet Tn. Is a life long underachiever.
She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as a biker gangsters
in the 60's and 70's. She claims on her former website that she has 2
failed
marriages and blames God for her poor choices. It is alleged that she
lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been
proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote, with
no place to go.


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