A case of Ick?

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I beleive your heater problems have been answered. But as for your ich
problems, I would be carefull with too much salt with catfish. Also I
cannot stress the importance of good water quality, you may have to do
daily 20% water changes (with proper conditioners). Good bio filtration
is a must, but this takes time. Seeding your tank with aged gravel from
a friend or an aged sponge filter (they work great) can also help. I
have used "medicated wonder shells' for years on my aquarium
maintenance route with excellent results (they also help with cloudy
water, but do not replace good water quality management). You can
obtain them at
http://americanaquariumproducts.com/...mProducts.html
Carl


I've seen this web site. These are your own product, aren't they? I
understand the time release functionality you are trying to get, but it's
not clear what else is in there or how it works. Clever to design
something which reduces your visits.
--
www.NetMax.tk

Yes this is a product that I designed (and have refined over time) over
15 years ago. I do not show all ingredients as I do want it to be too
easy to copy. I have had excellent results not only because of less
visits, but more importantly, more steady medicine levels.
Carl

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Yes this is a product that I designed (and have refined over time) over
15 years ago. I do not show all ingredients as I do want it to be too
easy to copy. I have had excellent results not only because of less
visits, but more importantly, more steady medicine levels.
Carl


I'm sure you mean "You do *not* want it to be too easy to copy. Can you
sell a product with no ingredients labelling? I understand that products
for fish don't require too much scrutiny or even testing (at least in
North America), but some ingredients and binders must be declared.
California is quite particular about malachite green, and I'd expect
antibiotics to require some regulation and identification.

It's an interesting conundrum, where you can't reveal details without
risking trade infringement, but need the details to sell the product. I
don't envy your situation. Credibility cannot be established through the
normal means of existing scientific data on the individual ingredients.
A possible scenario is to publish the active ingredients and kept
proprietary items such as the binders and the process a secret.
Alternately some type of a controlled test program documenting the
results with & without, but this requires scientific rigour, expertise
and expense.

A suggestion - since the time release component is still a compelling
feature, perhaps you should invent a 'fertilizing wonder shell'. Time
release fertilization would be a great feature (no more PMDD), and since
it's not involved in the health of fish, and would contain no potentially
harmful ingredients, the product would face far less public scrutiny and
there should be less issues with labelling, cross-state transport, export
documents etc. From a legislative perspective, it's fertilizer (poop
;~), from an aquarist's perspective, it could be a precise mix of
various macro and trace elements time-released with a binder which
buffers the water's carbonates.
--
www.NetMax.tk

We do state the active ingredients on our web site and other
information we have published over the years. We just do not show the
binders. As for malachite green, (and a Californian for 43 years) they
have many carcinogenic issues with the product which have yet to be
proven. California has many problems banning fish (such as the piranah)
and medications without any real evidence. Chloramphenical is an
example of an excellent antibiotic banned in the pet industry without
much evidence.
Carl

and medications without any real evidence. Chloramphenical is an
example of an excellent antibiotic banned in the pet industry without
much evidence.

Uh, other than it causes Leukemia-like symptoms in many people. Great drug
for fish though, I still have some. It's a last resort antibiotic in humans.



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Richard Sexton wrote:
and medications without any real evidence. Chloramphenical is an
example of an excellent antibiotic banned in the pet industry without
much evidence.


Uh, other than it causes Leukemia-like symptoms in many people. Great drug
for fish though, I still have some. It's a last resort antibiotic in humans.



Interesting...chloramphenical is one of the most commonly used
ingredient in eye drops over here....it's prescription only but is the
first thing usually given (I have a reaction to it personally so can't
use it)...

Got any stuff to back up the "last resort antibiotic" stuff?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:48:48 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Richard Sexton wrote:
and medications without any real evidence. Chloramphenical is an
example of an excellent antibiotic banned in the pet industry without
much evidence.


Uh, other than it causes Leukemia-like symptoms in many people. Great drug
for fish though, I still have some. It's a last resort antibiotic in humans.



Interesting...chloramphenical is one of the most commonly used
ingredient in eye drops over here....it's prescription only but is the
first thing usually given (I have a reaction to it personally so can't
use it)...

Got any stuff to back up the "last resort antibiotic" stuff?

I haven't figured out how to insert hyperlinks in Agent, but a search
will take you to Merck Manual, PDR, etc. And you will find the last
resort stuff wherever you look. This drug needs to be saved for
typhoid, meningitis and serious stuff like that.


-- Mr Gardener

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Gill Passman wrote:
Richard Sexton wrote:
Interesting...chloramphenical is one of the most commonly used
ingredient in eye drops over here....it's prescription only but is the
first thing usually given (I have a reaction to it personally so can't
use it)...

Got any stuff to back up the "last resort antibiotic" stuff?

I got mine off a pharmacist fishkeepig friend, he told me this. Google
would probably provide more info than I have.

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On 13 Feb 2006 16:44:38 -0800,
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We do state the active ingredients on our web site and other
information we have published over the years. We just do not show the
binders. As for malachite green, (and a Californian for 43 years) they
have many carcinogenic issues with the product which have yet to be
proven. California has many problems banning fish (such as the piranah)
and medications without any real evidence. Chloramphenical is an
example of an excellent antibiotic banned in the pet industry without
much evidence.
Carl

In the world of human medicine, chloramphenicol is a very powerful
weapon against some very specific targets and it is one to which we
really don't want to see too many bacteria developing resistance. It
has been compromised during the past couple of decades, in spite of
careful prescribing, but it really is in a whole different ballpark
than tetracycline and erythromycin. And unlike the more common
antibiotics, chloramphenicol's adverse side effects can be far more
serious. Physicians always think twice before prescribing it - do a
web search, read all about it.

-- Mr Gardener