Snails and disappearing dead fish

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:39:27 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:09:03 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


Altum wrote:

Lately, I've been allowing ramshorn snails to live in a 10 gallon
planted tank - they seem to do more good than harm. I've also got
Amano shrimp and Malaysian trumpet snails in the tank.

Now a guppy has gone missing. I cleaned the tank and couldn't find a
trace of him. There isn't any smell, no corpse, and the water tests
fine. Fancy guppies with huge tails can't jump and I don't have cats.
Can shrimp and snails completely eat a dead guppy and plants absorb any
water quality problems? Should I keep searching for a corpse?


I quite often don't find dead fish unless I've noticed immediately after
their demise. I lost a platy in a 5 gall tank (QT) - only companions
where another 2 platys, some Platy fry and around 5 Blue Eyed Getrude
Rainbows (no snails) - there at breakfast and totally gone by lunchtime
with no opportunity for jumping or the cat getting at it...removed all
the decor, plants, filter etc. but no sign....

As long as the water quality remains OK I would stop the search other
than a cursory glance for floaters or anything suspicious in the
substrate...I've sometimes found reducing the water level (through a
change) has exposed the poor demised fish but this is the exception
rather than the rule...

I would guess the snails, shrimp and indeed the other fish have polished
him off - yuk...

Gill


OK. I give. What is a blue eyed Gertrude? I searched on Google and
came up with
Gertrude, a blue-eyed and buxom girl was the oldest of the three
Beckett daughters. She fell in love with Rizal. Tottie helped him
and
Lawrence the blond-haired, blue-eyed desert warrior representing
good against ... Gertrude Bell stayed on in the East. But their paths
would cross again. ...

and numerous other dead ends. So please tell me, the suspense is
killing me.

-- Mr Gardener

They are actually quite cute little fish, full of character and very
little more than 1cm in size. Here is a link - the fish pictured is a
male displaying:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

They are a minature rainbow fish.

Last April I set up a 7.5UK gall Hex tank and bought some Peacock Gobies
to live in it (along with some Panda cories). Before you ask here is a
link:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

Sadly, after a short christmas break I came home to find that they had
been overfed and with it being such a small tank the results were
catastrophic... :-(

They did give me a taste for trying to find small, rarer but interesting
fish...if I could ever find these fish again (the gobies) I would buy
them at a drop of a hat - they were great....

Anyway, I picked myself, dusted myself down, kept the filter medium
bacteria alive, trashed the tank and set it up again and went out looking.

My local LFS had these Blue Eyed Getrude Rainbows...I'd been looking at
them for months - they didn't sell...so here I am in a postition to give
them a home, plus some surplus space in a couple of other tanks. So in a
rash moment I buy all of the stock (around 30 of the things)...I had
around a 30% mortality rate within the first few days but the rest of
them are thriving. They are spread across 3 small tanks. In one tank
they have spawned - low survival rate (I blame the Platys) but at least
a couple of them have survived. The Hex tank gives me great
pleasure...there is a dominant male and even though in minature I would
say that his display and flaring rivals my betta....the tank is planted
with vallis and I'm not sure that this is the most conducive to spawning
so will replant the tank with more suitable plants...there are around 12
of them in there...

Joke is...the LFS couldn't sell them until a nut like me came in and
bought the tank full...someone in marketing/management has now seen this
as a selling range - they now have another 50 - haven't shifted a single
one in a month...I think that they are a fish that requires
specialisation and a particular type of fish keeper to go out and buy
them - someone who likes slightly "off the wall" fish...I have all the
"standard" fish with some noteable exceptions so I love to dabble...

All in all, if you have a small tank and you are looking for something a
little different that has immense character I would recommend these
little fellows....I do, however, think that their charm would be lost
mixed in a larger community tank...

Gill

PS If I ever find the gobies again I would do the same thing and buy as
many as I could fit in

Thanks. They sound fascinating. I can visualize them in a tall hex
tank - and I think they would be great as the only species in that
tank. Well, maybe a couple of panda cories.

-- Mr Gardener

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:39:27 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


Mr. Gardener wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:09:03 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:



Altum wrote:


Lately, I've been allowing ramshorn snails to live in a 10 gallon
planted tank - they seem to do more good than harm. I've also got
Amano shrimp and Malaysian trumpet snails in the tank.

Now a guppy has gone missing. I cleaned the tank and couldn't find a
trace of him. There isn't any smell, no corpse, and the water tests
fine. Fancy guppies with huge tails can't jump and I don't have cats.
Can shrimp and snails completely eat a dead guppy and plants absorb any
water quality problems? Should I keep searching for a corpse?


I quite often don't find dead fish unless I've noticed immediately after
their demise. I lost a platy in a 5 gall tank (QT) - only companions
where another 2 platys, some Platy fry and around 5 Blue Eyed Getrude
Rainbows (no snails) - there at breakfast and totally gone by lunchtime
with no opportunity for jumping or the cat getting at it...removed all
the decor, plants, filter etc. but no sign....

As long as the water quality remains OK I would stop the search other
than a cursory glance for floaters or anything suspicious in the
substrate...I've sometimes found reducing the water level (through a
change) has exposed the poor demised fish but this is the exception
rather than the rule...

I would guess the snails, shrimp and indeed the other fish have polished
him off - yuk...

Gill


OK. I give. What is a blue eyed Gertrude? I searched on Google and
came up with
Gertrude, a blue-eyed and buxom girl was the oldest of the three
Beckett daughters. She fell in love with Rizal. Tottie helped him
and
Lawrence the blond-haired, blue-eyed desert warrior representing
good against ... Gertrude Bell stayed on in the East. But their paths
would cross again. ...

and numerous other dead ends. So please tell me, the suspense is
killing me.

-- Mr Gardener

They are actually quite cute little fish, full of character and very
little more than 1cm in size. Here is a link - the fish pictured is a
male displaying:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

They are a minature rainbow fish.

Last April I set up a 7.5UK gall Hex tank and bought some Peacock Gobies
to live in it (along with some Panda cories). Before you ask here is a
link:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

Sadly, after a short christmas break I came home to find that they had
been overfed and with it being such a small tank the results were
catastrophic... :-(

They did give me a taste for trying to find small, rarer but interesting
fish...if I could ever find these fish again (the gobies) I would buy
them at a drop of a hat - they were great....

Anyway, I picked myself, dusted myself down, kept the filter medium
bacteria alive, trashed the tank and set it up again and went out looking.

My local LFS had these Blue Eyed Getrude Rainbows...I'd been looking at
them for months - they didn't sell...so here I am in a postition to give
them a home, plus some surplus space in a couple of other tanks. So in a
rash moment I buy all of the stock (around 30 of the things)...I had
around a 30% mortality rate within the first few days but the rest of
them are thriving. They are spread across 3 small tanks. In one tank
they have spawned - low survival rate (I blame the Platys) but at least
a couple of them have survived. The Hex tank gives me great
pleasure...there is a dominant male and even though in minature I would
say that his display and flaring rivals my betta....the tank is planted
with vallis and I'm not sure that this is the most conducive to spawning
so will replant the tank with more suitable plants...there are around 12
of them in there...

Joke is...the LFS couldn't sell them until a nut like me came in and
bought the tank full...someone in marketing/management has now seen this
as a selling range - they now have another 50 - haven't shifted a single
one in a month...I think that they are a fish that requires
specialisation and a particular type of fish keeper to go out and buy
them - someone who likes slightly "off the wall" fish...I have all the
"standard" fish with some noteable exceptions so I love to dabble...

All in all, if you have a small tank and you are looking for something a
little different that has immense character I would recommend these
little fellows....I do, however, think that their charm would be lost
mixed in a larger community tank...

Gill

PS If I ever find the gobies again I would do the same thing and buy as
many as I could fit in


Thanks. They sound fascinating. I can visualize them in a tall hex
tank - and I think they would be great as the only species in that
tank. Well, maybe a couple of panda cories.

-- Mr Gardener

I have been tempted to add some more pandas but I'm reluctant on the
basis that they would polish off any eggs or fry...and if what I have
read about their "annual" nature is correct I obviously want them to spawn.

As you have discovered there is very little info available on these fish
on the web so everything I'm learning is really through
observation...one thing I noticed was that they need a lot of surface
plants in order to gain confidence - in the Hex tank they were very shy
until I got some drifting vallis cuttings (they broke loose)...they also
do need a heavily planted tank at the lower levels to feel
comfortable...they hold their own with bettas...but I doubt any fry will
survive...the successful spawning have actually been in a tank where I
struggle to control the temp so it is warmer than I would normally have
a tank at....I do 20% changes in this tank twice weekly...

If you can find them, and you are looking for something a little
different I would certainly recommend them...

Gill

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:49:19 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:39:27 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


Mr. Gardener wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:09:03 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:



Altum wrote:


Lately, I've been allowing ramshorn snails to live in a 10 gallon
planted tank - they seem to do more good than harm. I've also got
Amano shrimp and Malaysian trumpet snails in the tank.

Now a guppy has gone missing. I cleaned the tank and couldn't find a
trace of him. There isn't any smell, no corpse, and the water tests
fine. Fancy guppies with huge tails can't jump and I don't have cats.
Can shrimp and snails completely eat a dead guppy and plants absorb any
water quality problems? Should I keep searching for a corpse?


I quite often don't find dead fish unless I've noticed immediately after
their demise. I lost a platy in a 5 gall tank (QT) - only companions
where another 2 platys, some Platy fry and around 5 Blue Eyed Getrude
Rainbows (no snails) - there at breakfast and totally gone by lunchtime
with no opportunity for jumping or the cat getting at it...removed all
the decor, plants, filter etc. but no sign....

As long as the water quality remains OK I would stop the search other
than a cursory glance for floaters or anything suspicious in the
substrate...I've sometimes found reducing the water level (through a
change) has exposed the poor demised fish but this is the exception
rather than the rule...

I would guess the snails, shrimp and indeed the other fish have polished
him off - yuk...

Gill


OK. I give. What is a blue eyed Gertrude? I searched on Google and
came up with
Gertrude, a blue-eyed and buxom girl was the oldest of the three
Beckett daughters. She fell in love with Rizal. Tottie helped him
and
Lawrence the blond-haired, blue-eyed desert warrior representing
good against ... Gertrude Bell stayed on in the East. But their paths
would cross again. ...

and numerous other dead ends. So please tell me, the suspense is
killing me.

-- Mr Gardener

They are actually quite cute little fish, full of character and very
little more than 1cm in size. Here is a link - the fish pictured is a
male displaying:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

They are a minature rainbow fish.

Last April I set up a 7.5UK gall Hex tank and bought some Peacock Gobies
to live in it (along with some Panda cories). Before you ask here is a
link:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

Sadly, after a short christmas break I came home to find that they had
been overfed and with it being such a small tank the results were
catastrophic... :-(

They did give me a taste for trying to find small, rarer but interesting
fish...if I could ever find these fish again (the gobies) I would buy
them at a drop of a hat - they were great....

Anyway, I picked myself, dusted myself down, kept the filter medium
bacteria alive, trashed the tank and set it up again and went out looking.

My local LFS had these Blue Eyed Getrude Rainbows...I'd been looking at
them for months - they didn't sell...so here I am in a postition to give
them a home, plus some surplus space in a couple of other tanks. So in a
rash moment I buy all of the stock (around 30 of the things)...I had
around a 30% mortality rate within the first few days but the rest of
them are thriving. They are spread across 3 small tanks. In one tank
they have spawned - low survival rate (I blame the Platys) but at least
a couple of them have survived. The Hex tank gives me great
pleasure...there is a dominant male and even though in minature I would
say that his display and flaring rivals my betta....the tank is planted
with vallis and I'm not sure that this is the most conducive to spawning
so will replant the tank with more suitable plants...there are around 12
of them in there...

Joke is...the LFS couldn't sell them until a nut like me came in and
bought the tank full...someone in marketing/management has now seen this
as a selling range - they now have another 50 - haven't shifted a single
one in a month...I think that they are a fish that requires
specialisation and a particular type of fish keeper to go out and buy
them - someone who likes slightly "off the wall" fish...I have all the
"standard" fish with some noteable exceptions so I love to dabble...

All in all, if you have a small tank and you are looking for something a
little different that has immense character I would recommend these
little fellows....I do, however, think that their charm would be lost
mixed in a larger community tank...

Gill

PS If I ever find the gobies again I would do the same thing and buy as
many as I could fit in


Thanks. They sound fascinating. I can visualize them in a tall hex
tank - and I think they would be great as the only species in that
tank. Well, maybe a couple of panda cories.

-- Mr Gardener

I have been tempted to add some more pandas but I'm reluctant on the
basis that they would polish off any eggs or fry...and if what I have
read about their "annual" nature is correct I obviously want them to spawn.

As you have discovered there is very little info available on these fish
on the web so everything I'm learning is really through
observation...one thing I noticed was that they need a lot of surface
plants in order to gain confidence - in the Hex tank they were very shy
until I got some drifting vallis cuttings (they broke loose)...they also
do need a heavily planted tank at the lower levels to feel
comfortable...they hold their own with bettas...but I doubt any fry will
survive...the successful spawning have actually been in a tank where I
struggle to control the temp so it is warmer than I would normally have
a tank at....I do 20% changes in this tank twice weekly...

If you can find them, and you are looking for something a little
different I would certainly recommend them...

Gill

I have water sprite growing out of my ears. It's everywhere, I keep
giving it away by the bucket and it keeps growing back. It's a great
floater and it works well rooted. Now you really are getting my
attention. I'll ask my lfs about them when I see him tomorrow.

-- Mr Gardener

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:49:19 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


Mr. Gardener wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:39:27 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:



Mr. Gardener wrote:


On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:09:03 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:




Altum wrote:



Lately, I've been allowing ramshorn snails to live in a 10 gallon
planted tank - they seem to do more good than harm. I've also got
Amano shrimp and Malaysian trumpet snails in the tank.

Now a guppy has gone missing. I cleaned the tank and couldn't find a
trace of him. There isn't any smell, no corpse, and the water tests
fine. Fancy guppies with huge tails can't jump and I don't have cats.
Can shrimp and snails completely eat a dead guppy and plants absorb any
water quality problems? Should I keep searching for a corpse?


I quite often don't find dead fish unless I've noticed immediately after
their demise. I lost a platy in a 5 gall tank (QT) - only companions
where another 2 platys, some Platy fry and around 5 Blue Eyed Getrude
Rainbows (no snails) - there at breakfast and totally gone by lunchtime
with no opportunity for jumping or the cat getting at it...removed all
the decor, plants, filter etc. but no sign....

As long as the water quality remains OK I would stop the search other
than a cursory glance for floaters or anything suspicious in the
substrate...I've sometimes found reducing the water level (through a
change) has exposed the poor demised fish but this is the exception
rather than the rule...

I would guess the snails, shrimp and indeed the other fish have polished
him off - yuk...

Gill


OK. I give. What is a blue eyed Gertrude? I searched on Google and
came up with
Gertrude, a blue-eyed and buxom girl was the oldest of the three
Beckett daughters. She fell in love with Rizal. Tottie helped him
and
Lawrence the blond-haired, blue-eyed desert warrior representing
good against ... Gertrude Bell stayed on in the East. But their paths
would cross again. ...

and numerous other dead ends. So please tell me, the suspense is
killing me.

-- Mr Gardener

They are actually quite cute little fish, full of character and very
little more than 1cm in size. Here is a link - the fish pictured is a
male displaying:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

They are a minature rainbow fish.

Last April I set up a 7.5UK gall Hex tank and bought some Peacock Gobies
to live in it (along with some Panda cories). Before you ask here is a
link:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

Sadly, after a short christmas break I came home to find that they had
been overfed and with it being such a small tank the results were
catastrophic... :-(

They did give me a taste for trying to find small, rarer but interesting
fish...if I could ever find these fish again (the gobies) I would buy
them at a drop of a hat - they were great....

Anyway, I picked myself, dusted myself down, kept the filter medium
bacteria alive, trashed the tank and set it up again and went out looking.

My local LFS had these Blue Eyed Getrude Rainbows...I'd been looking at
them for months - they didn't sell...so here I am in a postition to give
them a home, plus some surplus space in a couple of other tanks. So in a
rash moment I buy all of the stock (around 30 of the things)...I had
around a 30% mortality rate within the first few days but the rest of
them are thriving. They are spread across 3 small tanks. In one tank
they have spawned - low survival rate (I blame the Platys) but at least
a couple of them have survived. The Hex tank gives me great
pleasure...there is a dominant male and even though in minature I would
say that his display and flaring rivals my betta....the tank is planted
with vallis and I'm not sure that this is the most conducive to spawning
so will replant the tank with more suitable plants...there are around 12
of them in there...

Joke is...the LFS couldn't sell them until a nut like me came in and
bought the tank full...someone in marketing/management has now seen this
as a selling range - they now have another 50 - haven't shifted a single
one in a month...I think that they are a fish that requires
specialisation and a particular type of fish keeper to go out and buy
them - someone who likes slightly "off the wall" fish...I have all the
"standard" fish with some noteable exceptions so I love to dabble...

All in all, if you have a small tank and you are looking for something a
little different that has immense character I would recommend these
little fellows....I do, however, think that their charm would be lost
mixed in a larger community tank...

Gill

PS If I ever find the gobies again I would do the same thing and buy as
many as I could fit in


Thanks. They sound fascinating. I can visualize them in a tall hex
tank - and I think they would be great as the only species in that
tank. Well, maybe a couple of panda cories.

-- Mr Gardener

I have been tempted to add some more pandas but I'm reluctant on the
basis that they would polish off any eggs or fry...and if what I have
read about their "annual" nature is correct I obviously want them to spawn.

As you have discovered there is very little info available on these fish
on the web so everything I'm learning is really through
observation...one thing I noticed was that they need a lot of surface
plants in order to gain confidence - in the Hex tank they were very shy
until I got some drifting vallis cuttings (they broke loose)...they also
do need a heavily planted tank at the lower levels to feel
comfortable...they hold their own with bettas...but I doubt any fry will
survive...the successful spawning have actually been in a tank where I
struggle to control the temp so it is warmer than I would normally have
a tank at....I do 20% changes in this tank twice weekly...

If you can find them, and you are looking for something a little
different I would certainly recommend them...

Gill


I have water sprite growing out of my ears. It's everywhere, I keep
giving it away by the bucket and it keeps growing back. It's a great
floater and it works well rooted. Now you really are getting my
attention. I'll ask my lfs about them when I see him tomorrow.

-- Mr Gardener

I seem to remember reading that your LFS might be able to get you some
in another posting by you - can't find it for the life of me...

They really are nice fish and a little bit different - and I do like at
least one small tank full of something not quite so common... g

Now, Richard has got me interested in Killies - oh dear, does the cycle
never end (pun intended)

Gill

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:49:19 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:


Mr. Gardener wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:39:27 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:



Mr. Gardener wrote:


On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:09:03 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:




Altum wrote:



Lately, I've been allowing ramshorn snails to live in a 10 gallon
planted tank - they seem to do more good than harm. I've also got
Amano shrimp and Malaysian trumpet snails in the tank.

Now a guppy has gone missing. I cleaned the tank and couldn't find a
trace of him. There isn't any smell, no corpse, and the water tests
fine. Fancy guppies with huge tails can't jump and I don't have cats.
Can shrimp and snails completely eat a dead guppy and plants absorb any
water quality problems? Should I keep searching for a corpse?


I quite often don't find dead fish unless I've noticed immediately after
their demise. I lost a platy in a 5 gall tank (QT) - only companions
where another 2 platys, some Platy fry and around 5 Blue Eyed Getrude
Rainbows (no snails) - there at breakfast and totally gone by lunchtime
with no opportunity for jumping or the cat getting at it...removed all
the decor, plants, filter etc. but no sign....

As long as the water quality remains OK I would stop the search other
than a cursory glance for floaters or anything suspicious in the
substrate...I've sometimes found reducing the water level (through a
change) has exposed the poor demised fish but this is the exception
rather than the rule...

I would guess the snails, shrimp and indeed the other fish have polished
him off - yuk...

Gill


OK. I give. What is a blue eyed Gertrude? I searched on Google and
came up with
Gertrude, a blue-eyed and buxom girl was the oldest of the three
Beckett daughters. She fell in love with Rizal. Tottie helped him
and
Lawrence the blond-haired, blue-eyed desert warrior representing
good against ... Gertrude Bell stayed on in the East. But their paths
would cross again. ...

and numerous other dead ends. So please tell me, the suspense is
killing me.

-- Mr Gardener

They are actually quite cute little fish, full of character and very
little more than 1cm in size. Here is a link - the fish pictured is a
male displaying:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

They are a minature rainbow fish.

Last April I set up a 7.5UK gall Hex tank and bought some Peacock Gobies
to live in it (along with some Panda cories). Before you ask here is a
link:-

http://www.tropicalfishfinder.co.uk/...tail.asp?id=16

Sadly, after a short christmas break I came home to find that they had
been overfed and with it being such a small tank the results were
catastrophic... :-(

They did give me a taste for trying to find small, rarer but interesting
fish...if I could ever find these fish again (the gobies) I would buy
them at a drop of a hat - they were great....

Anyway, I picked myself, dusted myself down, kept the filter medium
bacteria alive, trashed the tank and set it up again and went out looking.

My local LFS had these Blue Eyed Getrude Rainbows...I'd been looking at
them for months - they didn't sell...so here I am in a postition to give
them a home, plus some surplus space in a couple of other tanks. So in a
rash moment I buy all of the stock (around 30 of the things)...I had
around a 30% mortality rate within the first few days but the rest of
them are thriving. They are spread across 3 small tanks. In one tank
they have spawned - low survival rate (I blame the Platys) but at least
a couple of them have survived. The Hex tank gives me great
pleasure...there is a dominant male and even though in minature I would
say that his display and flaring rivals my betta....the tank is planted
with vallis and I'm not sure that this is the most conducive to spawning
so will replant the tank with more suitable plants...there are around 12
of them in there...

Joke is...the LFS couldn't sell them until a nut like me came in and
bought the tank full...someone in marketing/management has now seen this
as a selling range - they now have another 50 - haven't shifted a single
one in a month...I think that they are a fish that requires
specialisation and a particular type of fish keeper to go out and buy
them - someone who likes slightly "off the wall" fish...I have all the
"standard" fish with some noteable exceptions so I love to dabble...

All in all, if you have a small tank and you are looking for something a
little different that has immense character I would recommend these
little fellows....I do, however, think that their charm would be lost
mixed in a larger community tank...

Gill

PS If I ever find the gobies again I would do the same thing and buy as
many as I could fit in


Thanks. They sound fascinating. I can visualize them in a tall hex
tank - and I think they would be great as the only species in that
tank. Well, maybe a couple of panda cories.

-- Mr Gardener

I have been tempted to add some more pandas but I'm reluctant on the
basis that they would polish off any eggs or fry...and if what I have
read about their "annual" nature is correct I obviously want them to spawn.

As you have discovered there is very little info available on these fish
on the web so everything I'm learning is really through
observation...one thing I noticed was that they need a lot of surface
plants in order to gain confidence - in the Hex tank they were very shy
until I got some drifting vallis cuttings (they broke loose)...they also
do need a heavily planted tank at the lower levels to feel
comfortable...they hold their own with bettas...but I doubt any fry will
survive...the successful spawning have actually been in a tank where I
struggle to control the temp so it is warmer than I would normally have
a tank at....I do 20% changes in this tank twice weekly...

If you can find them, and you are looking for something a little
different I would certainly recommend them...

Gill


I have water sprite growing out of my ears. It's everywhere, I keep
giving it away by the bucket and it keeps growing back. It's a great
floater and it works well rooted. Now you really are getting my
attention. I'll ask my lfs about them when I see him tomorrow.

-- Mr Gardener

forgot to add...I'll try and get some pics of mine for you - just to
give you an idea - just need to get rid of the brown hair algae (blush)
to make a decent photo but have a whole week to play tanks coming up....

Gill