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I wasn't sure from Nikki's post whether she really saw ich, or only
pinholes in the fins. No sense using ich meds if there was no ich.


Pinholes are in addition to ich not instead sorry, after thinking about it,
i seen white spots on the body so it was ich, i am just wondering now if the
pinholes are just that, just pinholes or is it rot, i dont know how to tell
and i dont know if they are different things. well i guess it dont make a
difference being i am doing daily water changes which is what i understand i
would do for either

Nikki

PS: Tynk, you said you use salt, in the tank or salt bath? and do you only
do that when they are sick, i noticed some people use it some dont, so i
was just wondering

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Nikki wrote:
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all right, I see, I think we both posted at the same time I had posted once
more asking specifically what the difference was between the two, When I
change their water daily I either change 100% or 50% depending, I was very
surprised after how bad the red ones look how quickly they came back and how
good they look now, i just got them so maybe with the water changes he will
start to look better, i got them each in a tank that is 13 inch long, 10
inch high, and 7 inch wide, holds i think about 3-4 gl of water (but i'm
guessing about gl) they are ok tanks for them, gives them room to swim.
Nikki

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There is a difference between fin loss and fin rot but it isn't always
very obvious how to tell them apart. Fin rot is a bacterial infection
and often occurs due to poor water conditions. Bettas are extremely
susceptible to it and it's not uncommon for even seasoned veterans to
have to deal with it from time to time. General fin loss or tearing
(pin holes too) may occur if your betta snags his fins on something or
from flaring. Fin rot can often be identified by black or bloodied fin
tips. Often chunks of fins will just slough off. They are often
characteristically tattered at the ends as well. The signs of fin rot
may be less obvious with darker colored or red bettas.

http://www.nippyfish.net/finlossfinrot.html

Whether or not you finish the treatment of antibiotics is sort of up to
you. Antibiotics should be followed through because under-medicating or
shortening the course may lead to antibiotic-resistant bacteria. On the
other hand, unnecessary treatment may be harmful to your betta.

I completely agree with you about antibiotics. With only one dose, I'd
discontinue treatment. The worst thing for resistance seems to be
stopping after three or four days instead of going for a full course of
seven to ten days. Even a full course of antibiotics can leave some
resistant bacteria, which is why they should be a last resort if you
choose to use them at all.

No. Untergasser says antibiotics should only be used as a last
resort with an irreplacable fish (think $25K koi) in a glass
only tank. You absolutley must finish the course of treatment
if started. These days it's very strongly recommended a test
be done on the cultured big to see if the antibiotic has
resistance to the bug. If it does not they WILL be dead at
the end of the treatment.

Non antibiotic bacteriocides can be fond at:

http://aquaria.net/articles/meds/ant.../alternatives/


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Nikki wrote,
i got them each in a tank that is 13 inch long, 10
inch high, and 7 inch wide........

Not quite 4 gals............. Frank

Nikki wrote:
"IDzine01" wrote in message
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I don't breed bettas I just keep them... love too, but I don't ...
That's all Tynk.

I have never breed betta's, but have raised guppy fry which turned out very
pretty (not that i had to do much, but i'll take credit for it anyway) but i
have tried to get a female betta, ...so i found a place that breeds all kind of neat fish
and they are going to order them for me, i figured i may be better off with
my own instead of buying them sick from the store around here.
Nikki
Hi there Nikki.

no local pet stores carry them... said
they are ungly...hmm

Anyone who claims that female Bettas are ugly is a fool and doesn't
know squat about Bettas!!!!
Oh this one makes me as mad as when people pronounce Betta as "bait-uh"
(it's Bet-uh of course).
I would like to email you some pics of female Bettas and you can tell
me how *ugly* they are, LOL.
You see....
In the shops most females will show *submission coloring*. This is
simply because they've been tossed together with other strange females
that they do not know. They do not have a hierarchy established and
that means everybody is a little freaked out.
Their submission coloring is when they blanch out their coloring and
show horizontal barring. Once in their estrablished new home, they
quickly color up.
Of course may times in the shops you will see lovely colored females
all in one tank.
They are either spawn siblings and have had their pecking order figured
out since they were babes, or they have been sitting there a while and
have established their hierarchy already.
So drop me an email to remind me to send you pics of my personal *ugly*
female Bettas. = )~
Ugly....sheesh!
More like ignorant employees.
I will add one more thing too....do NOT even think about spawning
Bettas until you have a lot of experience in Betta husbandry, and
become well educated in Betta body language, proper care, and the much
needed research on how to raise Betta fry. These babies are almost too
small to even see when hatched.
I'm talking get out a magnifying glass until they're a few days old.
Because of their tiny size, they need special size foods and even the
tank conditions need to be just right or they all die off.
You know how large your live bearer fry were. Those are huge monster
babies compared to Betta fry.
= O ---- you're making this face right now, aren't you. = )

Anyone who claims that female Bettas are ugly is a fool and doesn't
know squat about Bettas!

Agreed. A tank full of just female bettas can be quite
stunning.


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Anyone who claims that female Bettas are ugly is a fool and doesn't
know squat about Bettas!

Agreed. A tank full of just female bettas can be quite
stunning.


This is how my 75g looks like, as I keep all my females in it, along
with several young Angelfish I'm growing out.
I just love the rainbow of colors, their interations and especially,
their "language".

Tynk wrote:
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Anyone who claims that female Bettas are ugly is a fool and doesn't

know squat about Bettas!

Agreed. A tank full of just female bettas can be quite
stunning.



This is how my 75g looks like, as I keep all my females in it, along
with several young Angelfish I'm growing out.
I just love the rainbow of colors, their interations and especially,
their "language".


I must admit I am seriously considering getting some female bettas for
the new 130g tank....in the places that I go they just look like male
bettas without the plumage...very colourful...

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Nikki wrote:
"IDzine01" wrote in message
ups.com...
I don't breed bettas I just keep them... love too, but I don't ...
That's all Tynk.

I have never breed betta's, but have raised guppy fry which turned out
very
pretty (not that i had to do much, but i'll take credit for it anyway)
but i
have tried to get a female betta, ...so i found a place that breeds all
kind of neat fish
and they are going to order them for me, i figured i may be better off
with
my own instead of buying them sick from the store around here.
Nikki
Hi there Nikki.

no local pet stores carry them... said
they are ungly...hmm

Anyone who claims that female Bettas are ugly is a fool and doesn't
know squat about Bettas!!!!
Oh this one makes me as mad as when people pronounce Betta as "bait-uh"
(it's Bet-uh of course).
I would like to email you some pics of female Bettas and you can tell
me how *ugly* they are, LOL.
You see....
In the shops most females will show *submission coloring*. This is
simply because they've been tossed together with other strange females
that they do not know. They do not have a hierarchy established and
that means everybody is a little freaked out.
Their submission coloring is when they blanch out their coloring and
show horizontal barring. Once in their estrablished new home, they
quickly color up.
Of course may times in the shops you will see lovely colored females
all in one tank.
They are either spawn siblings and have had their pecking order figured
out since they were babes, or they have been sitting there a while and
have established their hierarchy already.
So drop me an email to remind me to send you pics of my personal *ugly*
female Bettas. = )~
Ugly....sheesh!
More like ignorant employees.
I will add one more thing too....do NOT even think about spawning
Bettas until you have a lot of experience in Betta husbandry, and
become well educated in Betta body language, proper care, and the much
needed research on how to raise Betta fry. These babies are almost too
small to even see when hatched.
I'm talking get out a magnifying glass until they're a few days old.
Because of their tiny size, they need special size foods and even the
tank conditions need to be just right or they all die off.
You know how large your live bearer fry were. Those are huge monster
babies compared to Betta fry.
= O ---- you're making this face right now, aren't you. = )


No, not at all, I like all the info I can get, your right I have only been
keeping betta's for a short while, but really do enjoy them, I have read a
lot about breeding them, every thing I could find off the net anyway, but I
am aware doing it is much different, but I would not do it until I was a bit
more confident in keeping mom & dad alive first.
But I am getting a few females now, I also have seen a lot of pretty female
betta's, I have a breeder ordering them for me, I ask one of the fish stores
around here first and she said she can only get them six at a time, then no
one wants them because they are ugly, so she is stuck with them, I did
offered to get all six, but she said no its a hassle, I called some of the
other places and they told me the same thing, every one wants the males
because they are pretty, they said when people see the female they are not
want they want because they are not pretty like the male.
So yes I agree with you and don't think they are ugly, however if you think
about some of the reasons people get bettas, they see them and think they
are pretty and easy to take care of, for a first fish for their kids, they
usually don't get taken care of well, most of the time no filter or heater,
that's even if they are ok when you buy them, I have got four, three were
sick that same day, which is from being left in cups at the store, the blue
ones I just got, there was a film over the water when I got them, and really
how hard is it to change water in a cup.
Anyway before I decide to breed them I will have had figured it out, until
six months ago we only had "big fish" we kept Oscars, paccu piranha's, we
did have a few jack dempsey's, but mostly big fish which were easier to take
care of in the sense they did not get sick as often, and they lived a long
time.
anyway thanks for the info
and remember to send the pic of your female betta's