Frogs

I still don't see how someone can be held responsible for frogs...OK
you've built a pond that attracts them but they are still out there
somewhere...maybe if you didn't have a pond they'd find their way into a
puddle in a neighbour's garden...or is it a "not in my back yard"
mentality. I just don't see how any pond keeper could be deemed
inconsiderate because a wild animal makes a noise - can you be held
responsible if a fox (or any wild dog) makes a noise because maybe you
keep chickens? Or that a bird of prey makes a horrendous noise because
they live in your area because there is other wild-life - mice, rats
etc. (OMG just remembered they will be at it again in a few weeks)...

Actually having a frog eating bugs must be a plus for any neighbourhood...

A dog barking is different...but how do you stop your pet cat fighting?
That keeps people awake as well...in fact the list is endless...but IMO
in terms of anti-social behaviour frogs just don't get on the list....
Gill

And therein, why the CA office thought it was hilarious. I would have been
happier, had the CA called me, laughter in the background, and mentioned
there had been a complaint. I still would have reduced the numbers. And
speaking of wild animals, I mentioned Maypies (related to crows) and how
noisy they can be in the neighborhood.

Personally it all comes down to "control" and you've got it, the case of
"not in my backyard where I can go harass it away" mentality. By fall we
have big crickets that I know sing every bit as loud as the frogs, under
everyone's window. Course, looking at the house across the street... they
have a BIG barked (non)flower bed, with no plants. That probably helps keep
the crickets to a minimum. ;-) ~ jan


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

~ janj wrote:
I still don't see how someone can be held responsible for frogs...OK
you've built a pond that attracts them but they are still out there
somewhere...maybe if you didn't have a pond they'd find their way into a
puddle in a neighbour's garden...or is it a "not in my back yard"
mentality. I just don't see how any pond keeper could be deemed
inconsiderate because a wild animal makes a noise - can you be held
responsible if a fox (or any wild dog) makes a noise because maybe you
keep chickens? Or that a bird of prey makes a horrendous noise because
they live in your area because there is other wild-life - mice, rats
etc. (OMG just remembered they will be at it again in a few weeks)...

Actually having a frog eating bugs must be a plus for any neighbourhood...

A dog barking is different...but how do you stop your pet cat fighting?
That keeps people awake as well...in fact the list is endless...but IMO
in terms of anti-social behaviour frogs just don't get on the list....
Gill


And therein, why the CA office thought it was hilarious. I would have been
happier, had the CA called me, laughter in the background, and mentioned
there had been a complaint. I still would have reduced the numbers. And
speaking of wild animals, I mentioned Maypies (related to crows) and how
noisy they can be in the neighborhood.

Personally it all comes down to "control" and you've got it, the case of
"not in my backyard where I can go harass it away" mentality. By fall we
have big crickets that I know sing every bit as loud as the frogs, under
everyone's window. Course, looking at the house across the street... they
have a BIG barked (non)flower bed, with no plants. That probably helps keep
the crickets to a minimum. ;-) ~ jan


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a

But why should you as a pond keeper be in charge of controlling
wildlife??? Sorry, just don't get it...most wildlife in our communities
are under threat and we, at least in the UK, are encouraged to do
everything to keep environments that will encourage our natural
inhabitants.....to hell with the noise....

The birds I was referring to are Red Kites that have been reintroduced.
They are thriving now in this area but still an endangered species...and
more noisy than you could ever believe....I can't leave my pet rabbit
and guinea pig out even in daytime for fear that these birds will take
them....but I'm not about to sue the conservationists or anyone that is
trying to get these beautiful (even if a little scary) birds native
again....and the noise when mating is unbelievable...with all the
windows shut (and we also have double glazing) the whole house sounds as
if it is surrounded by heavy breathers (in fact the first time I heard
it a few years ago it freaked me - it was like some perv had a megaphone
outside my house - lol)

If you live outside of a heavy built up area, then the sounds of nature
are part of the experience....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
But why should you as a pond keeper be in charge of controlling
wildlife???

Because if your pond wasn't there, there would be no wildlife problem for
the neighbors to complain about. That's how the city or town fathers see
it. Sometimes people fill in farm ponds near homes to avoid the noise of
wildlife and mosquitoes. That's the way people are here. Few have any real
concern for the environment.

Sorry, just don't get it...most wildlife in our communities
are under threat and we, at least in the UK, are encouraged to do
everything to keep environments that will encourage our natural
inhabitants.....to hell with the noise....

When you put a pond in not all cities see them as natural habitats. :-(
And in many areas here they must be fenced to keep children from falling in
and drowning.

The birds I was referring to are Red Kites that have been reintroduced.
They are thriving now in this area but still an endangered species...and
more noisy than you could ever believe....I can't leave my pet rabbit and
guinea pig out even in daytime for fear that these birds will take
them....but I'm not about to sue the conservationists or anyone that is
trying to get these beautiful (even if a little scary) birds native
again....and the noise when mating is unbelievable...with all the windows
shut (and we also have double glazing) the whole house sounds as if it is
surrounded by heavy breathers (in fact the first time I heard it a few
years ago it freaked me - it was like some perv had a megaphone outside my
house - lol)

ROFLMAO!!!! :-D We have sparrow hawks and red-tailed hawks here.

If you live outside of a heavy built up area, then the sounds of nature
are part of the experience....

Yep, that's how I see it.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are two Koi-Lo's on rec.ponds*
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

But why should you as a pond keeper be in charge of controlling
wildlife??? Gil

Control, as in, if my dog is barking it doesn't bother me, because I can at
any time go out and shut it up. Whereas, the neighbor doesn't have this
control, therefore the dog is far more annoying to them. That's what I
meant about having control.

I don't have a dog that barks, btw, just frogs. ) ~ jan


~ jan/WA
Zone 7a