Neon tetras dropping like flies

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:50:50 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Mr. Gardener wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:17:06 GMT, Altum
wrote:



I forgot the panda cories! This is probably Flavobacterium since it's
jumping species. It's possible that the shipment of neons got a little
bit of ammonia burn in the gills and its made them vulnerable. Neons
are really packed into those shipping bags! Since this is my "be
open-minded about MelaFix & PimaFix" week, I'd go with PimaFix either in
quarantine, or on the whole tank.


In my one grand experiment with Melafix, I used Pima at the same time,
according to label. I will never fully understand the difference
between the two, the label indicates that combining the two
essentially increases the power of Mela. Come to think of it, the
price of that stuff, and a 130 gallon tank for what is it, 7 days?

-- Mister Gardener

Thanks, you just answered my question on whether they could be used
together....been working today so have only just been able to start
trawling through all the great responses I've had on this :-)

Gill

If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.

-- Mister Gardener

"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...
If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.
====================
To save $$$ and product you can also drain down a tank and use a drop-in
sponge filter or bubble-up box filter.
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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:22:37 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
.. .
If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.
====================
To save $$$ and product you can also drain down a tank and use a drop-in
sponge filter or bubble-up box filter.

I would be concerned that that would add stress at a time when I am
trying to relieve stress.

-- Mister Gardener

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:22:37 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
. ..

If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.

====================
To save $$$ and product you can also drain down a tank and use a drop-in
sponge filter or bubble-up box filter.


I would be concerned that that would add stress at a time when I am
trying to relieve stress.

-- Mister Gardener

I would also be concerned about the stress involved for the fish -
another reason why I am reluctant to chase them round a 6 foot tank with
nets to put them elsewhere (if I actually had somewhere to put them).

An additional stress would be refilling the tank (for me) - hosepipe ban
as of next Monday and I'm not sure how I would cope with filling it back
up again with buckets....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Mister Gardener wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:22:37 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...

If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.

====================
To save $$$ and product you can also drain down a tank and use a drop-in
sponge filter or bubble-up box filter.


I would be concerned that that would add stress at a time when I am
trying to relieve stress.

-- Mister Gardener

I would also be concerned about the stress involved for the fish - another
reason why I am reluctant to chase them round a 6 foot tank with nets to
put them elsewhere (if I actually had somewhere to put them).

An additional stress would be refilling the tank (for me) - hosepipe ban
as of next Monday and I'm not sure how I would cope with filling it back
up again with buckets....

Gill

you don't have one of those things you hook to the sink to drain /fill? I'm
going to get one before I fill up my 6ft tank, I don't think I could
convince the kids to carry that many buckets,
bet you were in shape or at least tired after filling that.
Nik

Nikki wrote:
"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...

Mister Gardener wrote:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:22:37 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:



"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
m...


If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.

====================
To save $$$ and product you can also drain down a tank and use a drop-in
sponge filter or bubble-up box filter.


I would be concerned that that would add stress at a time when I am
trying to relieve stress.

-- Mister Gardener

I would also be concerned about the stress involved for the fish - another
reason why I am reluctant to chase them round a 6 foot tank with nets to
put them elsewhere (if I actually had somewhere to put them).

An additional stress would be refilling the tank (for me) - hosepipe ban
as of next Monday and I'm not sure how I would cope with filling it back
up again with buckets....

Gill


you don't have one of those things you hook to the sink to drain /fill? I'm
going to get one before I fill up my 6ft tank, I don't think I could
convince the kids to carry that many buckets,
bet you were in shape or at least tired after filling that.
Nik



We filled most of it using the garden hose poked through the window and
trailed across the floor....I don't want to drain it mainly coz I'm
pretty sure I'm not fit enough to do it by hand as I would have to after
this weekend...water changes are bad enough :-)

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:52:39 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:22:37 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
...

If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.

====================
To save $$$ and product you can also drain down a tank and use a drop-in
sponge filter or bubble-up box filter.


I would be concerned that that would add stress at a time when I am
trying to relieve stress.

-- Mister Gardener

I would also be concerned about the stress involved for the fish -
another reason why I am reluctant to chase them round a 6 foot tank with
nets to put them elsewhere (if I actually had somewhere to put them).

An additional stress would be refilling the tank (for me) - hosepipe ban
as of next Monday and I'm not sure how I would cope with filling it back
up again with buckets....

Gill

Here in the U.S. we call it hose. Hosepipe sounds kind of redundant.
But does a ban mean you can't use a hose from your sink to your
aquariums? How would anyone know?

-- Mister Gardener

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:38:02 -0500, Mister Gardener
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:52:39 +0100, Gill Passman
wrote:

Mister Gardener wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:22:37 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
m...

If I had anywhere near the amount of gallons that you have, I would
purchase my Melafix in the higher concentrated and less costly Pond
preparation. In fact, the next time I have to buy any, hopefully
never, I will probably get the concentrated stuff. Maybe I'll inquire
if the stuff stores well over a long period of time.

====================
To save $$$ and product you can also drain down a tank and use a drop-in
sponge filter or bubble-up box filter.


I would be concerned that that would add stress at a time when I am
trying to relieve stress.

-- Mister Gardener

I would also be concerned about the stress involved for the fish -
another reason why I am reluctant to chase them round a 6 foot tank with
nets to put them elsewhere (if I actually had somewhere to put them).

An additional stress would be refilling the tank (for me) - hosepipe ban
as of next Monday and I'm not sure how I would cope with filling it back
up again with buckets....

Gill

Here in the U.S. we call it hose. Hosepipe sounds kind of redundant.
But does a ban mean you can't use a hose from your sink to your
aquariums? How would anyone know?

-- Mister Gardener
I suppose your water meter would show that you are using a lot more
water than your neighbors, but you could tell them you take a lot of
baths.

-- Mister Gardener

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...

An additional stress would be refilling the tank (for me) - hosepipe ban
as of next Monday and I'm not sure how I would cope with filling it back
up again with buckets....

I wouldn't worry about it Gill, you have the same sized tank as I do, 20% a
week 120L that's not even a good bath full. Big brother might be watching
but he's not into counting how many baths you have a week

Hope you get yer Neon problem sorted. I avoid Neon's now and have 18
cardinals which seem to be helluva alot sturdier.

Ali Day wrote:
"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...


An additional stress would be refilling the tank (for me) - hosepipe ban
as of next Monday and I'm not sure how I would cope with filling it back
up again with buckets....


I wouldn't worry about it Gill, you have the same sized tank as I do, 20% a
week 120L that's not even a good bath full. Big brother might be watching
but he's not into counting how many baths you have a week

Hope you get yer Neon problem sorted. I avoid Neon's now and have 18
cardinals which seem to be helluva alot sturdier.


Fortunately I'm not on a meter (yet) so the quantity of water used in
the house is undetectable - the hosepipe has the normal hosepipe problem
of leaking round the tap - so is a little obvious...

Just been looking at the Cardinals - they certainly might make a better
alternative once the Neon problem is sorted one way or the other. The
main reason I keep the Neons is because hubby likes to see a school of
them in the tanks - guess he probably wouldn't be able to tell the
difference wink

Gill