snail & betta

"Nikki" wrote in message
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how about i grabbed a couple snails today while at the store, put one in
my bigger betta's tank, he wanted to attack it, i gave him a second to
realise it was not food, but he was dead set on killing it, the little
sh*t, so the snail was in there a matter of five minutes, he would not
even let it come out from its shell to move, i moved it to the females
tank, they dont seem to notice it but i guess now i will watch them in
case. Is that normal for a betta to act that way towards a snail, i guess
they all have different ideas of what is ok in their tanks..

I play it safe and only give my male bettas plants. There is a small snail
in one of their tanks that I move with the betta when doing the water
change - then replace the little snail. He ignores it. It must have been
on one of the water lettuce.

update gourami, he is now laying on the bottom of the tank not swimming
around, i feel so bad wish there was something i could do for him but i
think the lack of oxygen when he was out, and the brush burn on his top
fin may due him in, i put a little extra salt in the tank, i usualy put a
little less in the tank normaly then it says to incase i need to use it
for something then i can use more.
nik

You may lose this fish. I remember reading somewhere that if their gills
dry out they don't recover. I guess it's sort of like a human severely
damaging their lungs,.... the damage is permanent. I once had a mother
convict somehow jump out of their tank. She was pretty dry when I found
her, considering she's was a fish. She did recover and continue raising her
fry. The poor thing lay there gasping on the bottom at first, looking
around like she was in a daze. But she slowly came out of it. The male
stayed near her with their fry the whole time. I thought she was a
goner....

I hope your fish recovers. Where there's life, there's hope.
--
Koi-Lo.... the ReelMcKoi
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
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"Nikki" wrote in message
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update gourami, he is now laying on the bottom of the tank not swimming
around, i feel so bad wish there was something i could do for him but i
think the lack of oxygen when he was out, and the brush burn on his top
fin may due him in, i put a little extra salt in the tank, i usualy put a
little less in the tank normaly then it says to incase i need to use it
for something then i can use more.
nik

Opinions please? Could this gourami have been helped any more if, when
returned to the tank, Nikki had pushed him back and forth through the
water to get good water through his gills? It works on TV.

-- Mister Gardener

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"Nikki" wrote in message
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update gourami, he is now laying on the bottom of the tank not swimming
around, i feel so bad wish there was something i could do for him but i
think the lack of oxygen when he was out, and the brush burn on his top
fin may due him in, i put a little extra salt in the tank, i usualy put
a
little less in the tank normaly then it says to incase i need to use it
for something then i can use more.
nik

Opinions please? Could this gourami have been helped any more if, when
returned to the tank, Nikki had pushed him back and forth through the
water to get good water through his gills? It works on TV.

-- Mister Gardener

ha....ha ..I do that any time I think a fish is dying.
It don't just work on TV, I found that out when I started to keep guppies, I
had a beautiful male, black & yellow, and when you live in Pittsburgh, pa
and the Steelers are winning, you don't let nothing black & gold die.
Any way one day I noticed he was upside down, did not notice his gills
moving, I tried to turn him right side up but he kept going upside down, was
not moving dead for all intent purpose, I moved him back and forth though
the water and sure enough he came up and with in a few minutes he was fine,
he is still alive today...
NIk

I tried that with the gourami, and he did come to, and looked good till this
afternoon, he is still alive just sitting on the bottom of the tank leaning
on a rock, breathing heavy ..... i keep checking on him but he is not doing
anything but sitting there.

"Nikki" wrote in message
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I tried that with the gourami, and he did come to, and looked good till
this afternoon, he is still alive just sitting on the bottom of the tank
leaning on a rock, breathing heavy .....
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Could be damage to his delicate gills. I'm going to guess that's his
problem. When something can't get enough oxygen it tends not to move much.
Does he go to the top for air?
--
Koi-Lo.... the ReelMcKoi
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

No just sits at the bottom held up by a rock, still breathing.
Nik



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"Nikki" wrote in message
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I tried that with the gourami, and he did come to, and looked good till
this afternoon, he is still alive just sitting on the bottom of the tank
leaning on a rock, breathing heavy .....
================
Could be damage to his delicate gills. I'm going to guess that's his
problem. When something can't get enough oxygen it tends not to move
much. Does he go to the top for air?
--
Koi-Lo.... the ReelMcKoi
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

wow does that pushing back and forward thing work? I got told that if
you want to kill a sick fish, you could just grab it's tail and pull
the fish backward through the water and it will drown them. Don't know
if it's true and never tried it...

Yeah I had a snail in a tank years ago with some assorted tropicals -
chances are with those antennae, they are going to get nipped from time
to time, but I'd say take it out away from the betta. Having said
that, maybe he'll get bored of it...

"Beano" wrote in message
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wow does that pushing back and forward thing work? I got told that if
you want to kill a sick fish, you could just grab it's tail and pull
the fish backward through the water and it will drown them. Don't know
if it's true and never tried it...

Yeah I had a snail in a tank years ago with some assorted tropicals -
chances are with those antennae, they are going to get nipped from time
to time, but I'd say take it out away from the betta. Having said
that, maybe he'll get bored of it...


I guess if you would do it fast or hard I don't know if it would drown, but
doing it as if they are swimming, and again if they are no longer swimming
for them self, I guess doing it hard could do something maybe hurt them.
I took the snail out and my betta got mad, he does that a lot, he decided to
lay on the bottom of the tank as if he was dead, so when I was feeding them
all I skipped him since he wanted to act dead, then all a sudden he came up
wanting his food, so I fed him, when he gets mad he does that, (im mad at
you and wish I was dead, you know like a little kid, he got my attention at
first by doing that.
Nik