Pimafix/Melafix - more anecdotal stuff

This is most helpful information, my friend was just telling me today
how good melafix is. I was planning on going to get some tomorrow. So
maybe I'll pick up some Pimafix to. Does anyone know how these meds
affect crayfish? Should cause a problem should it?

On 15 Apr 2006 05:10:34 -0700, "Mariachi" wrote:

This is most helpful information, my friend was just telling me today
how good melafix is. I was planning on going to get some tomorrow. So
maybe I'll pick up some Pimafix to. Does anyone know how these meds
affect crayfish? Should cause a problem should it?

Be prepared for sticker shock. Buy the largest size you can afford. If
you apply the dosing directions to your target tank, you'll find that
a little 4 ounce bottle isn't going to make it through a single full
treatment. Figure out how many ounces you will need before going to
the store. It is also sold in a highly concentrated solution for ponds
and monster tanks. And keep in mind that controlled studies are hard
to find, there are a couple out there on the web somewhere, maybe
someone else has some URLs, and the manufacturer's home page has very
little information. But, as you see, there are an increasing number of
people who are having a good experience with the stuff, and there are
people who say it is snake oil. No promises, but I add my name to the
"it worked for me" category. I have no idea how it might affect
crayfish - my hunch is it should be fine, as we haven't found anything
yet that it is not compatible with. YMMV.

-- Mister Gardener

Everything Aquaria & Tropical Fish at The Krib:
http://www.thekrib.com/

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On 15 Apr 2006 05:10:34 -0700, "Mariachi" wrote:

This is most helpful information, my friend was just telling me today
how good melafix is. I was planning on going to get some tomorrow. So
maybe I'll pick up some Pimafix to. Does anyone know how these meds
affect crayfish? Should cause a problem should it?

Be prepared for sticker shock. Buy the largest size you can afford. If
you apply the dosing directions to your target tank, you'll find that
a little 4 ounce bottle isn't going to make it through a single full
treatment. Figure out how many ounces you will need before going to
the store. It is also sold in a highly concentrated solution for ponds
and monster tanks. And keep in mind that controlled studies are hard
to find, there are a couple out there on the web somewhere, maybe
someone else has some URLs, and the manufacturer's home page has very
little information. But, as you see, there are an increasing number of
people who are having a good experience with the stuff, and there are
people who say it is snake oil. No promises, but I add my name to the
"it worked for me" category. I have no idea how it might affect
crayfish - my hunch is it should be fine, as we haven't found anything
yet that it is not compatible with. YMMV.

-- Mister Gardener

Everything Aquaria & Tropical Fish at The Krib:
http://www.thekrib.com/

I use the pond melafix and i think price wise its better, i looked at the
reg bottle and you get a lot more use out of the pond bottle for your money,
but either way it is expensive. i had to use it in a small tank for the
betta and i use a dropper to get the right dose, and it my 30-40 gl i go by
tsp's. It all works out the same i think.
Nik
It worked well for me with fin damage and rot, i also used it on a GF who
had a fin stuck to his side and he is now doing much better.

Thanks.
I did the dosage on my 125 g tank(ouch, big price!) and my discus did
not like it. They all turned dark and I'm watching them carefully
today. If they start to have problems, I will do a 90% water change
right away. I hope it kills whatever things that made their fin tip
roting, not the discus! I'm not sure if they can take another dosage
or not!

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:33:14 -0400, fish lover
wrote:

What's the dosage of combing these two?

Thanks

Melafix: Instructions:
Remove activated carbon from filter, if possible. Add 1 tsp for every
10 gallons of water. Repeat daily for 7 days followed by a 25% water
change. Treatment can be continued if necessary

Pimafix: Instructions:
Shake well before each use. For best results remove carbon during
treatment.As a disease treatment: add 1 teaspoon for every 10 U.S.
gallons of aquarium water. Repeat dose daily for 7 days. After 7 days
make a 25% water change. Treatment may be continued, if necessary.In
sal****er aquariums: it may be necessary to turn off the protein
skimmer while treating with this item. In aquariums with no filter, a
slight haze may form. Make a 25% water change, if necessary.

More info at
http://www.aquariumguys.com/melafix16oz.html
and
http://www.aquariumguys.com/pimafix16oz.html

-- Mister Gardener

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http://www.thekrib.com/
For Killfile FAQs visit
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm

I've been reading some archived stuff regarding melafix/pimafix and
from what i could gather other people with discus all said that the
discus DID NOT LIKE IT! Hope that helps.

I also found CanadianCray mention in one thread that she(he?) has used
both melafix and pimafix with her crays and shrimps if anyone else out
there is interested.

On 15 Apr 2006 15:37:27 -0700, "Mariachi" wrote:

I've been reading some archived stuff regarding melafix/pimafix and
from what i could gather other people with discus all said that the
discus DID NOT LIKE IT! Hope that helps.

I also found CanadianCray mention in one thread that she(he?) has used
both melafix and pimafix with her crays and shrimps if anyone else out
there is interested.

Much appreciated, thanks for taking the time. It seems odd to me that
a Usenet newsgroup has put more information together about these
products than can be found on the manufacturer's hope page. But that's
probably true with a lot of products.

-- Mister Gardener

Everything Aquaria & Tropical Fish at The Krib:
http://www.thekrib.com/
For Killfile FAQs visit
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm

www.koivet.com

Lotsa filthy diseases for ya
:-)

On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:55:16 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
wrote:

www.koivet.com

Lotsa filthy diseases for ya
:-)

I believe you were referring to the Medications index on that page,
I've added the direct link to the Melafix article.
http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...me=Medications

The study cited used Melafix only, and determined Melafix has zero
bacteriocidal action. Too bad they didn't follow this study with
another using Melafix and Pimafix together, as the manufacturer's blah
blah seems to emphasize the bacteriocidal effects of Pima. As far as
the other properties, the study cites some pretty impressive outcomes
with Melafix alone, including a suggestion to use it for recently
handled store bought fish. I am not ready to routinely Melafix my new
fish, but maybe it's worth a shot in my ten gallon QT.

You've also reminded me to return to that web site soon, I've surfed
through it before and it looks like a place that is worth spending
some time, even though I am a tropical, not gold, keeper.

-- Mister Gardener

Everything Aquaria & Tropical Fish at The Krib:
http://www.thekrib.com/

Mister Gardener wrote:

The study cited used Melafix only, and determined Melafix has zero
bacteriocidal action. Too bad they didn't follow this study with
another using Melafix and Pimafix together, as the manufacturer's blah
blah seems to emphasize the bacteriocidal effects of Pima. As far as
the other properties, the study cites some pretty impressive outcomes
with Melafix alone, including a suggestion to use it for recently
handled store bought fish. I am not ready to routinely Melafix my new
fish, but maybe it's worth a shot in my ten gallon QT.

Pity he didn't test PimaFix. Methyleugenol is a very effective
bactericide at high concentrations. The main question is whether it's
effective at the 1-2 ppm PimaFix concentration.

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Gill Passman wrote:
Just thought that I would share this one with you all as part of the big
debate on Melafix and Pimafix. I was somewhat sceptical before not
having had much success with Melafix but what happened last night was
quite incredible....

I glanced at Boris the Betta last night and to my horror noticed his
tail was slightly shredded at the end and he also had a lot of white
fluffy stuff on the wounds. I'd done a water change earlier in the day
and am quite religious about doing the small tanks frequently. He shares
the tank with 3 Blue Eyed Gertrudes so possibly might have been nipped -
I don't know. He was still feeding and flaring at me.

I decided to try a mix of Pimafix and Melafix, remembering that Mr
Gardener had reported some success by combining the two meds. Within an
hour the fluffy stuff had gone....This morning his recovery is
continuing - still no fungus and the shredding has not got any worse. He
is doing his little betta dance and feeding.... :-)

Time will tell but I must say that I was impressed by the result of
mixing the two together...and of course this was not a "controlled" test...

Gill

Well the dosing with Melafix/Pimafix got rid of the fungus and stopped
the shredding but sadly I think that there is an underlying cause that
made Boris the betta succumb to these symptoms.

He is not a happy fish today....he is very top heavy - I would say he
has a "pine cone" effect in the top half of his body - sigh....I'll try
treating for constipation if I can get him to eat (he didn't this
morning)...

Gill