beginners questions

"Koi-Lo" none wrote in :

How can it be high on NITRITES with no fish in it?

Through any already present organic wastes. Maybe it is old or active
gravel. Maybe his cat peed in it. You don't always need fish to cycle a
tank.

You were told wrong. The clerks in most fish stores know little about
the fish they sell. Feed them every day. Guppies and the small

Mature fish of almost any kind can go a day or so without food without any
ill repercussions. When clerks give this kind of advice it is less about
misinformation than it is about concern for someone crashing an immature
tank by overfeeding.

A fish introduced into a tank with nitrites present is probably going to
behave lethargically and may not be eager to feed. Unfortunately, out of
misdirected concern many novice aquarist try to compensate for this
lethargy by feeding larger amounts more frequently, making their problem a
whole lot worse.

A healthy fish can easily survive alternating days of fasting, it cannot
survive sky rocking nitrites or a large ammonia spike.

*Note: There are two *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.

"stuarth" wrote in message
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So when it was set up for two weeks did it had something in it to
generate Ammonia like a snail or fish?

Someone suggested the gravel was unclean. I can't see how he can have
nitrites with nothing alive in the tank...?!?!?!? The store clerk should
have pointed this out and made some suggestions as to finding the cause of
the nitrites before adding fish.

Does anyone really wait a month before setting up a tank with fish any
more?

Read this:
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html
if you really want to wait a month.

I add them as soon as a tank is set up and everything is running right.
There's no reason not to as long as a dechlorinator was used. Some utility
water contains a lot of gasses I read somewhere and should be allowed 24
hours to stabilize but that has not been a problem were we live.
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Easy take all the ****ing crap back and get a refucnd. Fish are for
loosers and folks that do not have a ****ing friend. Fl;ush em nowe
and save a heap of money on future purchases....... Spend a buck for
a fish, and then spend 20 bucks to save the stinking skany assed
fishes ass when yu **** up and do somehting you should not have done.
Fish keepers are loosers

NItrates smitrates, **** them do what makes your crank hard or yur
pussy drip, and get over it. I like adding oil of clove to all my
water changes.,,.,.

Actaully when ammonia is created its from CArol Gulley aka koi lo
sneaking around and ****ting and ****ing in your ****ing tank....That
bitch will do **** like that.

On 29 May 2006 02:01:17 -0700, "stuarth" wrote:
So when it was set up for two weeks did it had something in it to
generate Ammonia like a snail or fish?

Because if you didn't then you just had a tank full of water doing
nothing for 2 weeks....

I use one of the modern live bacteria bottles like Stability by SeaChem
or Bio-load by Marine-land which allows you to add fish to your new
tank within 24 hours of setting your tank up.

Does anyone really wait a month before setting up a tank with fish any
more?

Read this:
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html
if you really want to wait a month.

YOu would be well advised to go to a web based forum and get sound
answers from established folks not these fly by night clueless
arogant jerkoff, who think they are gods answer to the aquaria world.

On Mon, 29 May 2006 07:31:39 -0500, dc wrote:
"Koi-Lo" none wrote in :

How can it be high on NITRITES with no fish in it?

Through any already present organic wastes. Maybe it is old or active
gravel. Maybe his cat peed in it. You don't always need fish to cycle a
tank.

You were told wrong. The clerks in most fish stores know little about
the fish they sell. Feed them every day. Guppies and the small

Mature fish of almost any kind can go a day or so without food without any
ill repercussions. When clerks give this kind of advice it is less about
misinformation than it is about concern for someone crashing an immature
tank by overfeeding.

A fish introduced into a tank with nitrites present is probably going to
behave lethargically and may not be eager to feed. Unfortunately, out of
misdirected concern many novice aquarist try to compensate for this
lethargy by feeding larger amounts more frequently, making their problem a
whole lot worse.

A healthy fish can easily survive alternating days of fasting, it cannot
survive sky rocking nitrites or a large ammonia spike.

Who really ****ing cares in these looser groups that are not
patronized by folks that have half a sense of decency when it comes to
advising folks on fish and aquarium care...These jerks in these usenet
groups are loosers from the world of kooks, and info is extremely
sketchy at most. Go to a web based forum and get decent corret
answers.


On Mon, 29 May 2006 09:07:12 -0500, "Koi-Lo" none wrote:
*Note: There are two *Koi-Lo's* on the pond and aquaria groups.

"stuarth" wrote in message
egroups.com...
So when it was set up for two weeks did it had something in it to
generate Ammonia like a snail or fish?

Someone suggested the gravel was unclean. I can't see how he can have
nitrites with nothing alive in the tank...?!?!?!? The store clerk should
have pointed this out and made some suggestions as to finding the cause of
the nitrites before adding fish.

Does anyone really wait a month before setting up a tank with fish any
more?

Read this:
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-cycling.html
if you really want to wait a month.

I add them as soon as a tank is set up and everything is running right.
There's no reason not to as long as a dechlorinator was used. Some utility
water contains a lot of gasses I read somewhere and should be allowed 24
hours to stabilize but that has not been a problem were we live.

Yea yea yea yet more dump incorrect info by carol gulley in her world
of solitary friends and companionship.

"Koi-Lo" none wrote in :

Someone suggested the gravel was unclean. I can't see how he can have
nitrites with nothing alive in the tank...?!?!?!? The store clerk

You don't need living things in your aquarium in order to cycle it. Any
decaying organic matter or waste will kick start the cycle. You do need a
long-term waste producer to sustain it well over time, but not to get it
started.

Old used gravel or unwashed ornaments will contain trace amounts of dead
organic material which will produce ammonia as it decays.

Bagged store bought live plant sand substrates generally come with a good
quantity of dead organic material including dead bacteria, which will
produce ammonia as it decays.

Some people add pure ammonia directly to their tank to get the cycle going.

Cat **** will cycle an aquarium--not as uncommon as you might think,
especially in aquariums that have been sitting around dry for a long while.
You could cycle it with your own urine if you're vile enough to really
consider it.

Throwing fish food into an empty aquarium will cycle it too, but you'll
have to wait for sufficient digester bacteria to accumulate before their is
significant food for nitrifying bacteria.

Probably none of these circumstances are what the original poster has
experienced, but my point is there are a lot of reasons why nitrites may be
present despite their being no fish in the tank. So long as the levels are
not very high, there is really no reason to worry about where they came
from.