Fish tank in my Bedroom , I have a age old problem , Advice please.

"Andy Peteman" wrote in message
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but i imagine you've guessed my problem ,
although the filte is not loud or does not seem to be during the day ,
when it comes to the dead of night , i can hear it , hummmmmmmmmmming away
in the back ground , i can see it becoming a bugbear .

And the prime reason I never had a tank in my bedroom. :-) I have some
Aquaclears that are almost dead silent unless you're real close to them.

.........so i have too options
, i have a nice little suitable space downstairs in my front room , where
i can put the tank .

Or would it be possible to put the filter on a timer so that when the
light goes off on the tank the filter turns off , this i would happen
during say 12am - 7am , for 7 hours, but i'm unsure if this is fair or
suitable for the fish ,

I would think the bacteria would start to die that many hours without a
fresh flow of oxygen rich water. I personally wouldn't do that.

i've been round the houses and put some filter sponge between the
filter and the glass on the tank , that did cut the nose down a little ,
but you guys i'm sure know , that at the dead of night , if you hear a
pin drop you can kinda hear it..........

I hope this will not cause a stir of ppl shouting at me for even making
the sugguestion , my big tank is in my 2nd bedroom and of course the pump
is on 24/7 , but i can't hear that pump in my sleeping bedroom.

Do you mean air-pump? Most of those I had were a bit too noisy for a
bedroom.

Sooooooo guys do i have two options , both been okay and fine for the fish
, or is it a very bad idea and i should simply move the tank downstairs ,
if i can't live/sleep with the hummmmmmmming noise from the filter.

If I were you I would either try and find an almost silent HOB filter or
move the tank out of the bedroom.
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I would think the bacteria would start to die that many hours without
a fresh flow of oxygen rich water. I personally wouldn't do that.

The bacteria certainly wouldn't die. Nitrosomonas and nitrobacter bacteria
are a lot more resilient than people give credit.

What would happen is that the lack of circulation would prevent the
bacteria from doing its job properly. The low levels of dissolved O2
combined with the high concentration of ammonia present by morning would
mean it would take time for it to be processed out of the system once the
filter is switched back on.

The pH would being to climb the moment circulation resumes as all the
built-up CO2 is forced out of the system, making the lingering ammonia all
the more dangerous.

"dc" wrote in message
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"Koi-Lo" Reply to NG Only wrote in
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I would think the bacteria would start to die that many hours without
a fresh flow of oxygen rich water. I personally wouldn't do that.

The bacteria certainly wouldn't die. Nitrosomonas and nitrobacter bacteria
are a lot more resilient than people give credit.

This may be true but many filters, like the ACs have a deep 2 sponge well
that would quickly go anaerobic under the sponges after several hours.
Perhaps the shape and depth of the filtering material would make the
difference. I know when we lose power at night and I get them started again
come morning, I can sometimes smell a funky odor they don't emit when not
stopped for who knows how many hours. For some reason ACs don't always start
by themselves when the power comes back on.

What would happen is that the lack of circulation would prevent the
bacteria from doing its job properly. The low levels of dissolved O2
combined with the high concentration of ammonia present by morning would
mean it would take time for it to be processed out of the system once the
filter is switched back on.

That doesn't sound too good..... :-(

The pH would being to climb the moment circulation resumes as all the
built-up CO2 is forced out of the system, making the lingering ammonia all
the more dangerous.

It's just not a good idea to shut them off.
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"dc" wrote in message
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The bacteria certainly wouldn't die. Nitrosomonas and nitrobacter
bacteria are a lot more resilient than people give credit.

This may be true but many filters, like the ACs have a deep 2 sponge
well that would quickly go anaerobic under the sponges after several

Hypoxia won't directly kill off aerobic bacteria, it simply prevents them
from obtaining food through nitrification. The hypoxic conditions need to
persist for an extended period of time for the nitrifying bacteria to begin
to die off rapidly due to, essentially, starvation.


them started again come morning, I can sometimes smell a funky odor
they don't emit when not stopped for who knows how many hours. For

The odor you are smelling could be a lot of things, the least of which are
dead nitrosomonos. My first guess would be sulfuric gasses produced by
anaerobic bacteria.


some reason ACs don't always start by themselves when the power comes
back on.

This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller, usually
friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the impeller blades
and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the plastic
blades, it should spring to life.

"dc" wrote in message
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This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller, usually
friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the impeller
blades
and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the plastic
blades, it should spring to life.
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That's exactly what I do! :-) I move the intake over and give the impeller
blades a little nudge with a piece of plastic from a Q-tip. I have noticed
if there's a lot of slime on the impeller and impeller walls they wont start
themselves either.
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"dc" wrote in message
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This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller,
usually friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the
impeller blades
and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the
plastic blades, it should spring to life.
============================
That's exactly what I do! :-) I move the intake over and give the
impeller blades a little nudge with a piece of plastic from a Q-tip.
I have noticed if there's a lot of slime on the impeller and impeller
walls they wont start themselves either.

This problem happens a lot less often if you regularly clean the impeller,
shaft, and motor well.

My AC motor cleaning kit consists of a pipe cleaner brush and an old tooth
brush. I remove the impeller and clean it with the tooth brush, then yank
out the impeller shaft with a pair of pliers and clean it with a soft rag
or paper towel, then I clean the inside of the motor well with the pipe
cleaner brush. I suppose a very fine pipe cleaner would work well to clean
the inside of the impeller magnet and remove any metallic fray from the
inside of the magnet, but I've never found it necessary to spend the time
trying to obtain one fine enough to fit.

Cleaning the motor regularly also cuts down on the wear and the amount of
noise the AC filters tend to make after operating for a few months.

"dc" wrote in message
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"Koi-Lo" Inane messages posted in my name by Hipcrime. wrote in
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"dc" wrote in message
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This is generally due to some force of resistance on the impeller,
usually friction between the impeller and the impeller shaft or the
impeller blades
and the plastic guard which sits above it. If you gently touch the
impeller bade with a plyable object that won't do damage to the
plastic blades, it should spring to life.
============================
That's exactly what I do! :-) I move the intake over and give the
impeller blades a little nudge with a piece of plastic from a Q-tip.
I have noticed if there's a lot of slime on the impeller and impeller
walls they wont start themselves either.

This problem happens a lot less often if you regularly clean the impeller,
shaft, and motor well.

You're right. I should do them more often. I squeeze out the sponges every
week or so but only clean the impellers/wells once a month.

My AC motor cleaning kit consists of a pipe cleaner brush and an old tooth
brush. I remove the impeller and clean it with the tooth brush, then yank
out the impeller shaft with a pair of pliers and clean it with a soft rag
or paper towel, then I clean the inside of the motor well with the pipe
cleaner brush. I suppose a very fine pipe cleaner would work well to
clean
the inside of the impeller magnet and remove any metallic fray from the
inside of the magnet, but I've never found it necessary to spend the time
trying to obtain one fine enough to fit.

I'm not that particular. I also use an old toothbrush to clean the magnet
and blades, but a Q-tip to do the well. I don't remove the pin or shaft.

Cleaning the motor regularly also cuts down on the wear and the amount of
noise the AC filters tend to make after operating for a few months.

I don't doubt that a bit. I've been fortunate in that only one of my ACs
has an irritating grumble. It's in the sunroom so we're not bothered by the
sound.
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