Betta question

[-=LÈGIÖN=-] wrote:
This message has been recycled. HMMmmm.....

On 7/20/2006 6:17 PM, Tynk wrote:
Dick wrote:


I have seen single male Betas in small bowls, no filtration.


Betas are sometimes put singularly into community tanks. It has been
a long times since I tried. As I recall they sometimes would nip
fins.

dick


FYI....that would be Betta. (it's pornounced "bet-uh", not "bait-uh"
and is the usual reason for the misspelling)

Bettas can only survive in a small, unheated and unfiltered bowl.
However, they will thrive in a heated tank.
1g is the absolute minimum tank they should be housed in.
Keeping them in community tanks is often fine, and I do recommend it.
However, as with every single Betta, each has a different personality
and that needs to be considered.
Tank mates are usually the ones doing the nipping and the Betta ends of
shredded if put in with the wrong type.
Fish that are very small, such as live bearer fry or Neons when very
tiny (fully grown Neons are usually fine) make for good snacks.
Bettas are carnivores, so anything it can fit into it's mouth will be.
In regard to housing a male in with females, again that depends on tank
size, as well as each individual personality of each fish. Sex plays no
part in aggression here. A female can shred up a male just as good, so
only experienced Betta keepers should house females and a male in one
tank.
These fish are aware of what goes on outside their tank, so they
quickly become tame to their owners.
Stay away from freeze dried foods, as they will cause constipation.
They need a good staple food and another "meat' type food, such as
frozen bloodworms or brine shrimp.
They should be fed twice a day, in small amounts.
Their water should be kept clean and heated to 78-80*f.


Makes me wonder who's recycling messages. Could our favourite fag boi
Roy Hauer be back from the methadone clinic?


Recycled?
What are you talking about?
Both the replies I have done in the past few days have also showed up
with a date *after* I posted them. Is this what you are talking about.
I do find it odd that I message I sent like on the 18th says I did it
on the 20th.
Let's see when this one pops up. It's Friday, the 21st.
And no, I am most certainly not sombody by the name of Roy.
I am quite female.
So save your silly comments about this Roy person and explain what you
mean by my post being recycled.

Tynk wrote:
So save your silly comments about this Roy person and explain what you
mean by my post being recycled.

Please don't feed the trolls.

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Victor Martinez wrote:
Tynk wrote:
So save your silly comments about this Roy person and explain what you
mean by my post being recycled.

Please don't feed the trolls.


Thanks for letting me know that person was a troll, Victor.
I've not been posting here for a while because of all the creeps that
invaded.
I did wonder why the 2 other posts I had made earlier in the week had a
date on them that was later then when I posted them.
And what is this recyling posts that "it" spoke of?

"Tynk" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
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Unless it's a male and a female, you cannot keep them in the same tank.
They will fight until one of them is dead.
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This is not a good idea. I know this from experience. Unless the female
is
ready to breed the male may constantly attack and harass her until she
dies - that is unless the tank is quite large and she can avoid him.
Bettas do very well in 1g tanks or jars.
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I'm guessing you don't have much experience housing a male inwith
females.

I'm guessing you are quite WRONG. Perhaps your males were not as aggressive
as mine were.

Rarely have I ever had a male go after a female until he killed her.

He doesn't KILL her - the stress and infections from torn fins kill her.

Of course in something small, such as a 1g or 2g or even a 3g
sure...there will be problems.

There will even be problems in a 10g tank. A planted 30Long would be much
better for the female as she can get away from his harassment. Unless your
males are not very aggressive.

However, it's not always the male doing it. It's not always about a
breeding thing either.

No one said it was ALWAYS about a breeding thing now did they? :-)

It's about territory and aggression in each individual Betta.

Exactly!

As usual, each Betta is different. As long as you have a large enough
tank (and we're not talking that it must be enormous, just no smaller
than a 10g with like 3 females to one male, but a larger tank is always
better) and their indifivual personalites allow it, they can be
perfectly fine.

This has all been said here before I believe.

I've been keeping Bettas for 28 yrs and housing a male with females is
common place.

Of course it is *IF* the tank is large enough and the females can avoid the
males harassment.

I also bred them for 19 of those yrs and I've only had 4 (one recently)
that couldn't be housed with females.

9 out of 10 of those I had couldn't be trusted with females in anything less
than a 30L planted tank. You seem to have unusually unaggressive males.

I will say I have had more females not allow a male in the tank. I
currently have a batch of females with 2 of them that shred up any male
they see.

I can't comment since I never put a male in the tanks that housed my
females.

One of those ladies would kill if she had the chance. She's that
aggressive with males but peachy with the other females, as long as
they know their place in their hierarchy.
To say the do "well in jars"....not really. They simply survive.
They should be kept in heated tanks and let thrive.

I agree, if someone has the money and space for all those tanks... they
should go for it. The rest of us will continue to use bowls and large
jars. This too has been discussed here before.

Unless you have a heated fish room, a room temp bowl isn't going to be
at 78-80*f (their proper temp).
Flucuating temps (unheated bowls or tanks) is hard on any fish. When it
comes to Bettas they are more prone to fin infections because of this.
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
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Dick wrote:
I have seen single male Betas in small bowls, no filtration.

That doesn't mean it's the best for the fish.
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If you're really concerned about what is BEST for the fish then we need to
leave them in their NATURAL environment. No fishtank can come close to
that.
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Köi-Lö wrote:
If you're really concerned about what is BEST for the fish then we need
to leave them in their NATURAL environment. No fishtank can come close
to that.

Again, you are wrong. Many fish species in the wild have shorter life
spans than in captivity.
Besides, we are not arguing over the morality of keeping fish, but on
how best to keep them. A larger tank will always be better.

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Hi..

That doesn't mean it's the best for the fish.

100% ACK..!
HTH..
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
If you're really concerned about what is BEST for the fish then we need
to leave them in their NATURAL environment. No fishtank can come close
to that.

Again, you are wrong. Many fish species in the wild have shorter life
spans than in captivity.

You're entitled to your opinion. No fish is going to have a better QUALITY
of life in the limited space of a fishtank than they achieve in their
natural habitat where they evolved. A LONG life is not necessarily a
"happy" or healthy life.

Besides, we are not arguing over the morality of keeping fish, but on how
best to keep them. A larger tank will always be better.

This I agree with. But nothing can be better than a fish's or animal's
natural habitat for the general welfare of the animal/fish/bird and it's
quality of life. A prime example are the cageless zoos and the reasons for
them.
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"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
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I kept a pair in my 55 gal when I started the hobby back up again this
spring, after 20 years of being awol... they were my first pair of
bettas and I had no problems at all. They had lots of swimming room,
plenty of plants to duck and hide.

They would probably also do well in a well planted 30Long tank as well.
But people who try to put a pair in a small tank can be sorely disappointed.

But they were my best fish ever, with their personalities and
easy going demeanor.

They definitely have their own personalities. :-)

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Köi-Lö wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion.

Idem.

No fish is going to have a better
QUALITY of life in the limited space of a fishtank than they achieve in
their natural habitat where they evolved. A LONG life is not
necessarily a "happy" or healthy life.

Let's take a simple and common example, shall we? Cardinal tetras. In
the wild they have to forrage for food, escape predators, and then
suffocate in the dry season when their habitat dries up. In my little
tank they have no predators, get food twice a day and they have a life
expentance of several years.

This I agree with. But nothing can be better than a fish's or animal's
natural habitat for the general welfare of the animal/fish/bird and it's
quality of life. A prime example are the cageless zoos and the reasons
for them.

I think it's dangerous to make a generalization like that across species
as different as fish and mammals. For many species, living in the wild
is a daily struggle for survival.
In general, I am against imprisonment of higher species for our amusement.

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