Water change reuse?

You say you want pics?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html

rtk

Great tank!
Can you share the lighting system you use?
Thanks, I thought I was alone against the water changes.
BTW, I see is an edu site, is that tank in your house or on campus?
As soon as I build my new hood, I will be posting my pictures here too...
This is getting interesting, I bet the LFSs here are going to hit you hard
now.
iy
"rtk" wrote in message
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You say you want pics?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html

rtk

You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef
tank yet.

Inabón Yunes wrote:
Great tank!
Can you share the lighting system you use?
Thanks, I thought I was alone against the water changes.
BTW, I see is an edu site, is that tank in your house or on campus?
As soon as I build my new hood, I will be posting my pictures here too...
This is getting interesting, I bet the LFSs here are going to hit you hard
now.
iy
"rtk" wrote in message
...

You say you want pics?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html

rtk

You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank
yet.

Therefore it can't be done. Hmmm. That definitely sounds like the kind of
logic that is used by people that do water changes.

I don't have a reef tank. If you look hard enough on the net you will find
pictures of reef tanks that are sans water changes.

Yep, you're right, I said it can't be done. Oh wait, I didn't. That's
right, I just said, in the 1000's of posts I've read on this topic and
the back and forth arguments that have been done, not one person has
posted a pic of their non-water changed reef tank. I'm no expert but I
think the grand total cost of getting a disposable camera and taking it
to WalMart to have them put it on a CD is like $20. Far less than those
whom can afford this hobby should worry about. So I think there is
something else preventing this.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I know nothing about chemistry, nor do
I wish to. I know that when I got into this hobby I read several books
and web pages, not all of whom own fish stores. And everything I read
recommended water changes. I don't do them as religiously as I should,
and yes my critters still live. But I don't have a lot of very
expensive coral, I have just a small bit. But I do change my water, and
when I do it's about 50%. Do I know that if I didn't I would be killing
my inverts? no...but water changes are more than nitrate export, they
also replace important elements that get used by corals(from my
understanding).

bo0ger1 wrote:
You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank
yet.


Therefore it can't be done. Hmmm. That definitely sounds like the kind of
logic that is used by people that do water changes.

I don't have a reef tank. If you look hard enough on the net you will find
pictures of reef tanks that are sans water changes.

Yep, you're right, I said it can't be done. Oh wait, I didn't. That's
right, I just said, in the 1000's of posts I've read on this topic and the
back and forth arguments that have been done, not one person has posted a
pic of their non-water changed reef tank.

You were implying that it can't be done because you have not seen any
pictures from non-water changers.

I'm no expert but I think the grand total cost of getting a disposable
camera and taking it to WalMart to have them put it on a CD is like $20.
Far less than those whom can afford this hobby should worry about. So I
think there is something else preventing this.

What would a picture tell you anyway? How can you gage the quality of my
water from a picture?

I'm not saying it can't be done.

Now you agree that having a healthy aquarium with no water changes is
possible.?.

I know nothing about chemistry, nor do I wish to.

Nor do you wish you to? You agree that you know nothing about chemistry and
you are content not knowing any chemistry? And yet, you are convinced you
need to do water changes?

I know that when I got into this hobby I read several books and web pages,
not all of whom own fish stores. And everything I read recommended water
changes.

All of the books I have read also stated to do water changes. Hmmmm. Why
is my aquarium doing so well? Oh, wait I know, they are WRONG.
Do you believe everything you read?

I don't do them as religiously as I should,
and yes my critters still live. But I don't have a lot of very expensive
coral, I have just a small bit. But I do change my water, and when I do
it's about 50%.

Why do you do water changes?

Do I know that if I didn't I would be killing my inverts? no...

Than why do it?

but water changes are more than nitrate export, they also replace important
elements that get used by corals(from my understanding).

Like what?

bo0ger1 wrote:
Yep, you're right, I said it can't be done. Oh wait, I didn't. That's
right, I just said, in the 1000's of posts I've read on this topic and the
back and forth arguments that have been done, not one person has posted a
pic of their non-water changed reef tank.


You were implying that it can't be done because you have not seen any
pictures from non-water changers.
Nope, I wasn't implying anything. But your word doesn't mean anything to me



I'm no expert but I think the grand total cost of getting a disposable
camera and taking it to WalMart to have them put it on a CD is like $20.
Far less than those whom can afford this hobby should worry about. So I
think there is something else preventing this.


What would a picture tell you anyway? How can you gage the quality of my
water from a picture?

Well if you had corals flourishing and anemones frolicking, it would be
a better picture than say dead things floating in the water.

I'm not saying it can't be done.


Now you agree that having a healthy aquarium with no water changes is
possible.?.

I agree that anything is possible, but many many more people than you
and your friend say that water changes are necessary with the current
technology.

I know nothing about chemistry, nor do I wish to.


Nor do you wish you to? You agree that you know nothing about chemistry and
you are content not knowing any chemistry? And yet, you are convinced you
need to do water changes?

I'm not convinced I do, but I'm further from convinced that I
don't....you telling me is not good enough. Seeing some kind of setup,
anything might prove your point, but you have nothing, at all, just your
word.


I know that when I got into this hobby I read several books and web pages,
not all of whom own fish stores. And everything I read recommended water
changes.


All of the books I have read also stated to do water changes. Hmmmm. Why
is my aquarium doing so well? Oh, wait I know, they are WRONG.
Do you believe everything you read?

I don't believe everything I read, for instance I believe very little of
what you type. But when marine biologists highly touted as the best in
a particular field write books. Or when zoos and aquariums do water
changes, I figure it best to believe them instead of a person whom I
know nothing more than being a troll on a newsgroup.

I don't do them as religiously as I should,

and yes my critters still live. But I don't have a lot of very expensive
coral, I have just a small bit. But I do change my water, and when I do
it's about 50%.


Why do you do water changes?

It makes a difference in the lives of my creatures



Do I know that if I didn't I would be killing my inverts? no...


Than why do it?

Cuz it's the thing to do. All the kids are doing it...you should try.



but water changes are more than nitrate export, they also replace important
elements that get used by corals(from my understanding).


Like what?

I hear iodine, strontium other crap, again, not a chemist, don't want to
be. And you say, then add it back in. And I say, I don't know what to
add, so I'll buy a bucket of salt for $50 every year, instead of
spending $1000's in suppliments.

The arguments below ignore an important aspect of tank care.
We love our tanks. We love to play with them, make little or
big changes in the coral landscape, get a new fish, remove
green fuzz, siphon up brown, feed the little sweethearts,
wipe their little asses - I mean clean their septic systems
- take photos of our precious hobby and just generally spend
some of our spare time and not so spare money on our live
interest. If I didn't enjoy all that, I not only wouldn't
clean the tank, I wouldn't have one at all.

rtk

bo0ger1 wrote:

Yep, you're right, I said it can't be done. Oh wait, I didn't. That's
right, I just said, in the 1000's of posts I've read on this topic and the
back and forth arguments that have been done, not one person has posted a
pic of their non-water changed reef tank.


You were implying that it can't be done because you have not seen any
pictures from non-water changers.


I'm no expert but I think the grand total cost of getting a disposable
camera and taking it to WalMart to have them put it on a CD is like $20.
Far less than those whom can afford this hobby should worry about. So I
think there is something else preventing this.


What would a picture tell you anyway? How can you gage the quality of my
water from a picture?


I'm not saying it can't be done.


Now you agree that having a healthy aquarium with no water changes is
possible.?.


I know nothing about chemistry, nor do I wish to.


Nor do you wish you to? You agree that you know nothing about chemistry and
you are content not knowing any chemistry? And yet, you are convinced you
need to do water changes?


I know that when I got into this hobby I read several books and web pages,
not all of whom own fish stores. And everything I read recommended water
changes.


All of the books I have read also stated to do water changes. Hmmmm. Why
is my aquarium doing so well? Oh, wait I know, they are WRONG.
Do you believe everything you read?

I don't do them as religiously as I should,

and yes my critters still live. But I don't have a lot of very expensive
coral, I have just a small bit. But I do change my water, and when I do
it's about 50%.


Why do you do water changes?


Do I know that if I didn't I would be killing my inverts? no...


Than why do it?


but water changes are more than nitrate export, they also replace important
elements that get used by corals(from my understanding).


Like what?

"bo0ger1" .@. wrote in message ...
What would a picture tell you anyway?
How can you gage the quality of my water from a picture?

You can judge about water quality by looking
at the animals you keep and their health status.

I would like to see how does your live rock looks like,
how is the anemone doing and if all fish you have are healthy.

Can you provide a current picture of your tank?

Remember, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary
proofs. Your claim is extraordinary and no wonder nobody
believes you just from what you are talking about...
A picture would be nice, it would not be strong proof, but
something more than an empty word.

Talk is cheap, booger! Show me the pictures! :-)

* Pat wrote, On 11/10/2006 7:17 PM:
You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef
tank yet.

I've noticed that too....
I do twice-monthly water changes, more often if I see the need. I don't want my
fish living in sh*t.

Cindy