Water change reuse?

When I do and proof you wrong, will you teach your customers to build an
in-series system?
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
nk.net...
That's silly. Maybe one day you will set up a reef tank, and then you will
know what this news group is all about.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/9/2006 8:54 PM:
It seems to me that you don't have an aquarium, the aquarium has you!
Do you ever go on vacation? if that's so, who does your weekly water
changes?
As far as I know, your weekly water changes replace all the filters in
your tank, might as well get rid of those because they are doing nothing
to your water.
And you only have a 55?
I have a friend that spent $3k on hardware and does water changes every 4
days, yes, almost twice a week.
I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of
20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a
year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors
because of how good it looks in my favorite place.
Soon I'll be posting pictures here but until I can manage to build a
better illumination system, I have to wait!
iy

"rtk" wrote in message
...
Wayne Sallee wrote:
Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50%
water change about once every 3 to 6 months.
I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the
rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run
weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the
additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly
shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much
fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It
just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once.

rtk

You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef
tank yet.

Inabón Yunes wrote:
Great tank!
Can you share the lighting system you use?
Thanks, I thought I was alone against the water changes.
BTW, I see is an edu site, is that tank in your house or on campus?
As soon as I build my new hood, I will be posting my pictures here too...
This is getting interesting, I bet the LFSs here are going to hit you hard
now.
iy
"rtk" wrote in message
...

You say you want pics?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html

rtk

There's nothing new about filtering water in series :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/10/2006 7:49 PM:
When I do and proof you wrong, will you teach your customers to build an
in-series system?
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
nk.net...
That's silly. Maybe one day you will set up a reef tank, and then you will
know what this news group is all about.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/9/2006 8:54 PM:
It seems to me that you don't have an aquarium, the aquarium has you!
Do you ever go on vacation? if that's so, who does your weekly water
changes?
As far as I know, your weekly water changes replace all the filters in
your tank, might as well get rid of those because they are doing nothing
to your water.
And you only have a 55?
I have a friend that spent $3k on hardware and does water changes every 4
days, yes, almost twice a week.
I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series of
20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change in a
year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my neighbors
because of how good it looks in my favorite place.
Soon I'll be posting pictures here but until I can manage to build a
better illumination system, I have to wait!
iy

"rtk" wrote in message
...
Wayne Sallee wrote:
Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50%
water change about once every 3 to 6 months.
I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the
rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run
weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and the
additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's weekly
shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is how much
fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the tank. It
just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at once.

rtk

"rtk" wrote in message
...
You say you want pics?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/...l****erID.html

rtk


Nice tank.
pic of mine
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...diyrock064.jpg

--
See my web site
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/myreef/

You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank
yet.

Therefore it can't be done. Hmmm. That definitely sounds like the kind of
logic that is used by people that do water changes.

I don't have a reef tank. If you look hard enough on the net you will find
pictures of reef tanks that are sans water changes.

* Pat wrote, On 11/10/2006 7:17 PM:
You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef
tank yet.

I've noticed that too....
I do twice-monthly water changes, more often if I see the need. I don't want my
fish living in sh*t.

Cindy

I've noticed that too....
I do twice-monthly water changes, more often if I see the need. I don't
want my fish living in sh*t.


At what point do you "see the need"? What are your requirements? If you
are taking water measurements for nitrate, ammonia, or nitrite and these
specs are qualifiers for your "need" to do a water change, than you have
other problems. Your "need" to do a water change is masking a problem.

I have a feeling that your "need" to do a water change is purely
ritualistic.

maybe the need is caused by her LFS...
See, I do have a tank with one year without a water change and took a sample
to an LFS last Friday and everything looks fine except that he told me that
PO4 was too high. I got a 1 mg/L and he got a 3...
Then he tried to sell me water...
I introduced myself as a newbie and he tried to sell me a skimmer...
Something else I found interesting about my in-series filter, it is
collecting a bunch of precipitate under a false floor with two inches of
space under the substrate and my skimmer (home made) is collecting
nothing...
I am going to vacuum out all the scum to test for PO4, if it is full of it,
then I am going to stop using Rowaphos
iy
"bo0ger1" .@. wrote in message
m...

I've noticed that too....
I do twice-monthly water changes, more often if I see the need. I don't
want my fish living in sh*t.


At what point do you "see the need"? What are your requirements? If you
are taking water measurements for nitrate, ammonia, or nitrite and these
specs are qualifiers for your "need" to do a water change, than you have
other problems. Your "need" to do a water change is masking a problem.

I have a feeling that your "need" to do a water change is purely
ritualistic.

Then tell us what is it!
I don't think you have the slightest idea since I haven't seen other like
mine except in the university.
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
There's nothing new about filtering water in series :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/10/2006 7:49 PM:
When I do and proof you wrong, will you teach your customers to build an
in-series system?
iy
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
nk.net...
That's silly. Maybe one day you will set up a reef tank, and then you
will know what this news group is all about.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Inabón Yunes wrote on 11/9/2006 8:54 PM:
It seems to me that you don't have an aquarium, the aquarium has you!
Do you ever go on vacation? if that's so, who does your weekly water
changes?
As far as I know, your weekly water changes replace all the filters in
your tank, might as well get rid of those because they are doing
nothing to your water.
And you only have a 55?
I have a friend that spent $3k on hardware and does water changes every
4 days, yes, almost twice a week.
I have to brag about it now, I have a 65gal with a minitank in series
of 20 gal, total of 85gals on my system and haven't done a water change
in a year yet with 30 inches of livestock that is the envy of my
neighbors because of how good it looks in my favorite place.
Soon I'll be posting pictures here but until I can manage to build a
better illumination system, I have to wait!
iy

"rtk" wrote in message
...
Wayne Sallee wrote:
Most people do a 15% water change once a month. I like doing a 50%
water change about once every 3 to 6 months.
I do 6 gallons change in my 55 gallon tank weekly. Because of all the
rocks and corals, it's probably more than 15%. The RO/DI has to be run
weekly anyhow, and some green algae has to be removed that often and
the additives are used weekly + the coral feeding and the anemone's
weekly shrimp diet, so it just seems convenient. Also, 6 gallons is
how much fits in the pail, so I don't have to measure the level in the
tank. It just seems all around simpler to do all the weekly stuff at
once.

rtk

Yep, you're right, I said it can't be done. Oh wait, I didn't. That's
right, I just said, in the 1000's of posts I've read on this topic and
the back and forth arguments that have been done, not one person has
posted a pic of their non-water changed reef tank. I'm no expert but I
think the grand total cost of getting a disposable camera and taking it
to WalMart to have them put it on a CD is like $20. Far less than those
whom can afford this hobby should worry about. So I think there is
something else preventing this.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I know nothing about chemistry, nor do
I wish to. I know that when I got into this hobby I read several books
and web pages, not all of whom own fish stores. And everything I read
recommended water changes. I don't do them as religiously as I should,
and yes my critters still live. But I don't have a lot of very
expensive coral, I have just a small bit. But I do change my water, and
when I do it's about 50%. Do I know that if I didn't I would be killing
my inverts? no...but water changes are more than nitrate export, they
also replace important elements that get used by corals(from my
understanding).

bo0ger1 wrote:
You'll note in his previous post that he in fact does do weekly water
changes. Not 1 single person who doesn't has posted a pic of a reef tank
yet.


Therefore it can't be done. Hmmm. That definitely sounds like the kind of
logic that is used by people that do water changes.

I don't have a reef tank. If you look hard enough on the net you will find
pictures of reef tanks that are sans water changes.