Should we use Ocean Water in our Sal****er Aquarium?

I use nothing but NSW I collect from the Gulf of Mexico. I know of at
least 25+ others that do as well and we have yet to have a problem,
with the water or the sand we collect.....On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:50:41
-0600, "Pszemol" wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message ...
I have to add that the great majority of sea dwelling creatures include in
their life cycle tiny or microscopic larvae and eggs. This stages of
potentially dangerous species may enter your tank unseen. On a plankton
sample taken near Mona island in Puerto Rico, hundreds of miles away from
any river or developed area, I found TMTC (Too many to count) species of
parasitic copepods, Callinectes spp, Panulirus spp, Hermodice spp, hydroids
and others to include shark eggs.

Would you be willing to ship couple of liters of such water to me?

Well, you are brave.
The gulf of Mexico is the biggest depository of contaminants of the US of A.
The Mississippi River alone accounts for most of the contamination. If we
include Texas, Mexico and Florida, three over industrialized state or
nation, then you don't even know what are you putting in your aquarium.
I guess you need to make constant water changes.
But, if it is working for you, I may go to Virgen Gorda in the Virgin
Islands and bring some of that crystalline water back with me.

"Tristan St. John" wrote in message
...


I use nothing but NSW I collect from the Gulf of Mexico. I know of at
least 25+ others that do as well and we have yet to have a problem,
with the water or the sand we collect.....On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:50:41
-0600, "Pszemol" wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
...
I have to add that the great majority of sea dwelling creatures
include in
their life cycle tiny or microscopic larvae and eggs. This stages of
potentially dangerous species may enter your tank unseen. On a
plankton
sample taken near Mona island in Puerto Rico, hundreds of miles away
from
any river or developed area, I found TMTC (Too many to count) species
of
parasitic copepods, Callinectes spp, Panulirus spp, Hermodice spp,
hydroids
and others to include shark eggs.

Would you be willing to ship couple of liters of such water to me?

Not really I do regular water changes at 2 to 3 week intervalls if I
remember sometimes it more like a month between changes....my waster
is just a sgood as any made with synthetic, and possible better than
man made sw is.

Same for my sand I get, since I do and have not spent inornate sums of
money on bagged sand at lfs. Its all collected locally.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:37:03 -0500, "Guayni; SAHS"
wrote:

Well, you are brave.
The gulf of Mexico is the biggest depository of contaminants of the US of A.
The Mississippi River alone accounts for most of the contamination. If we
include Texas, Mexico and Florida, three over industrialized state or
nation, then you don't even know what are you putting in your aquarium.
I guess you need to make constant water changes.
But, if it is working for you, I may go to Virgen Gorda in the Virgin
Islands and bring some of that crystalline water back with me.

"Tristan St. John" wrote in message
...


I use nothing but NSW I collect from the Gulf of Mexico. I know of at
least 25+ others that do as well and we have yet to have a problem,
with the water or the sand we collect.....On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:50:41
-0600, "Pszemol" wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
t...
I have to add that the great majority of sea dwelling creatures
include in
their life cycle tiny or microscopic larvae and eggs. This stages of
potentially dangerous species may enter your tank unseen. On a
plankton
sample taken near Mona island in Puerto Rico, hundreds of miles away
from
any river or developed area, I found TMTC (Too many to count) species
of
parasitic copepods, Callinectes spp, Panulirus spp, Hermodice spp,
hydroids
and others to include shark eggs.

Would you be willing to ship couple of liters of such water to me?

Again, you are brave. Water changes every month?
Might as well sell your skimmer and filters on ebay because they are
worthless if you are going to change the water so often. I wonder if it is
because of the water you use. Thanks for the heads-up! yet another reason
against using crude water.
BTW, the last water change on my personal tank was on January 06. Had two
vacations since and left home for more than 3 weeks on each.



"Tristan" wrote in message
...


Not really I do regular water changes at 2 to 3 week intervalls if I
remember sometimes it more like a month between changes....my waster
is just a sgood as any made with synthetic, and possible better than
man made sw is.

Same for my sand I get, since I do and have not spent inornate sums of
money on bagged sand at lfs. Its all collected locally.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:37:03 -0500, "Guayni; SAHS"
wrote:

Well, you are brave.
The gulf of Mexico is the biggest depository of contaminants of the US of
A.
The Mississippi River alone accounts for most of the contamination. If we
include Texas, Mexico and Florida, three over industrialized state or
nation, then you don't even know what are you putting in your aquarium.
I guess you need to make constant water changes.
But, if it is working for you, I may go to Virgen Gorda in the Virgin
Islands and bring some of that crystalline water back with me.

"Tristan St. John" wrote in message
...


I use nothing but NSW I collect from the Gulf of Mexico. I know of at
least 25+ others that do as well and we have yet to have a problem,
with the water or the sand we collect.....On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:50:41
-0600, "Pszemol" wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
et...
I have to add that the great majority of sea dwelling creatures
include in
their life cycle tiny or microscopic larvae and eggs. This stages
of
potentially dangerous species may enter your tank unseen. On a
plankton
sample taken near Mona island in Puerto Rico, hundreds of miles
away
from
any river or developed area, I found TMTC (Too many to count)
species
of
parasitic copepods, Callinectes spp, Panulirus spp, Hermodice spp,
hydroids
and others to include shark eggs.

Would you be willing to ship couple of liters of such water to me?

Well I sure do not know where y9u come from but its pretty darn common
in the states to do a partial ewater change every 2 or so weeks. SOme
folks do it every week. I do it when I remember. Not because its
cruddy water but because its a way to get rid of DOC and other junk
as well as replace essential trace elements. A skimmer does not
remove everything that is not good for the tank and it also removes
beneficial stuff as well since its an indiscriminate piece of
equipment. Besides we all do not have such an elaborate peice of hyped
up equipment like you do. I would like to see yu poist your so called
theories on a few of the web based forums and see what kind of
response you get when yu inform foks you did not do a wc since Jan of
06. Yea right...the man down the street is selling them new fang
dangled flying pigs too.!

On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:23:10 -0500, "Guayni; SAHS"
wrote:

Again, you are brave. Water changes every month?
Might as well sell your skimmer and filters on ebay because they are
worthless if you are going to change the water so often. I wonder if it is
because of the water you use. Thanks for the heads-up! yet another reason
against using crude water.
BTW, the last water change on my personal tank was on January 06. Had two
vacations since and left home for more than 3 weeks on each.



"Tristan" wrote in message
.. .


Not really I do regular water changes at 2 to 3 week intervalls if I
remember sometimes it more like a month between changes....my waster
is just a sgood as any made with synthetic, and possible better than
man made sw is.

Same for my sand I get, since I do and have not spent inornate sums of
money on bagged sand at lfs. Its all collected locally.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:37:03 -0500, "Guayni; SAHS"
wrote:

Well, you are brave.
The gulf of Mexico is the biggest depository of contaminants of the US of
A.
The Mississippi River alone accounts for most of the contamination. If we
include Texas, Mexico and Florida, three over industrialized state or
nation, then you don't even know what are you putting in your aquarium.
I guess you need to make constant water changes.
But, if it is working for you, I may go to Virgen Gorda in the Virgin
Islands and bring some of that crystalline water back with me.

"Tristan St. John" wrote in message
...


I use nothing but NSW I collect from the Gulf of Mexico. I know of at
least 25+ others that do as well and we have yet to have a problem,
with the water or the sand we collect.....On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:50:41
-0600, "Pszemol" wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
. net...
I have to add that the great majority of sea dwelling creatures
include in
their life cycle tiny or microscopic larvae and eggs. This stages
of
potentially dangerous species may enter your tank unseen. On a
plankton
sample taken near Mona island in Puerto Rico, hundreds of miles
away
from
any river or developed area, I found TMTC (Too many to count)
species
of
parasitic copepods, Callinectes spp, Panulirus spp, Hermodice spp,
hydroids
and others to include shark eggs.

Would you be willing to ship couple of liters of such water to me?

I do appreciate your comments. I don't know where you get your doubts from.
There are many here that debate the facts for a need to change your water
often.
I do have a friend that makes water changes every FOUR days, sometimes every
TWO days.
Again, if you are going to make water changes this often, you don't need all
those gadgets in your tank.


"Tristan" wrote in message
...
Well I sure do not know where y9u come from but its pretty darn common
in the states to do a partial ewater change every 2 or so weeks. SOme
folks do it every week. I do it when I remember. Not because its
cruddy water but because its a way to get rid of DOC and other junk
as well as replace essential trace elements. A skimmer does not
remove everything that is not good for the tank and it also removes
beneficial stuff as well since its an indiscriminate piece of
equipment. Besides we all do not have such an elaborate peice of hyped
up equipment like you do. I would like to see yu poist your so called
theories on a few of the web based forums and see what kind of
response you get when yu inform foks you did not do a wc since Jan of
06. Yea right...the man down the street is selling them new fang
dangled flying pigs too.!

On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:23:10 -0500, "Guayni; SAHS"
wrote:

Again, you are brave. Water changes every month?
Might as well sell your skimmer and filters on ebay because they are
worthless if you are going to change the water so often. I wonder if it
is
because of the water you use. Thanks for the heads-up! yet another
reason
against using crude water.
BTW, the last water change on my personal tank was on January 06. Had two
vacations since and left home for more than 3 weeks on each.



"Tristan" wrote in message
. ..


Not really I do regular water changes at 2 to 3 week intervalls if I
remember sometimes it more like a month between changes....my waster
is just a sgood as any made with synthetic, and possible better than
man made sw is.

Same for my sand I get, since I do and have not spent inornate sums of
money on bagged sand at lfs. Its all collected locally.
On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:37:03 -0500, "Guayni; SAHS"
wrote:

Well, you are brave.
The gulf of Mexico is the biggest depository of contaminants of the US
of
A.
The Mississippi River alone accounts for most of the contamination. If
we
include Texas, Mexico and Florida, three over industrialized state or
nation, then you don't even know what are you putting in your aquarium.
I guess you need to make constant water changes.
But, if it is working for you, I may go to Virgen Gorda in the Virgin
Islands and bring some of that crystalline water back with me.

"Tristan St. John" wrote in message
...


I use nothing but NSW I collect from the Gulf of Mexico. I know of at
least 25+ others that do as well and we have yet to have a problem,
with the water or the sand we collect.....On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:50:41
-0600, "Pszemol" wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
.net...
I have to add that the great majority of sea dwelling creatures
include in
their life cycle tiny or microscopic larvae and eggs. This
stages
of
potentially dangerous species may enter your tank unseen. On a
plankton
sample taken near Mona island in Puerto Rico, hundreds of miles
away
from
any river or developed area, I found TMTC (Too many to count)
species
of
parasitic copepods, Callinectes spp, Panulirus spp, Hermodice
spp,
hydroids
and others to include shark eggs.

Would you be willing to ship couple of liters of such water to me?

"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message ...
I do appreciate your comments. I don't know where you get your doubts from.
There are many here that debate the facts for a need to change your water
often.
I do have a friend that makes water changes every FOUR days,
sometimes every TWO days.

Let me guess - he has lots of corals, doesn't he ? :-)
Ask him what levels of nitrates and phosphates are in his tank
and compare with your readings.
Than think about the differences and make smart, educated conclusions...

Again, if you are going to make water changes this often,
you don't need all those gadgets in your tank.

Yes you do - without them you would have to change water every day :-)

Jaime, believe me - with 100mg/l of nitrates and 1mg/l of phosphates
your tank water is just sewer full of refuse.

We do not want to have sewer water in our reef tanks, and that
is the reason we *do* water changes... Do you understand, now ?

"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message ...
BTW, the last water change on my personal tank was on January 06.
Had two vacations since and left home for more than 3 weeks on each.

Will you refuse details about your tank as you did in the past,
or this time you will tell us something about it ?

What corals do you keep since last water change ?
How big is the tank and what kind, how many fish you keep there ?
Do you use any phosphate removal chemicals/reactors ?
Any additives for calcium or anything else ?
Any pictures of the tank showing the condition of the corals ?

Surely you do not expect him to divulge this top secret info. His scam
would be over.

On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:59:42 -0600, "Pszemol"
wrote:

"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message ...
BTW, the last water change on my personal tank was on January 06.
Had two vacations since and left home for more than 3 weeks on each.

Will you refuse details about your tank as you did in the past,
or this time you will tell us something about it ?

What corals do you keep since last water change ?
How big is the tank and what kind, how many fish you keep there ?
Do you use any phosphate removal chemicals/reactors ?
Any additives for calcium or anything else ?
Any pictures of the tank showing the condition of the corals ?

"Tristan" wrote in message ...
Surely you do not expect him to divulge this top secret info.
His scam would be over.

My possition on the issue is that you CAN, of course, have
a fish tank without changing water for a year or longer...
The problem lays in details: what tank, what animals are
kept there, how do they feel, how yellow the water is, etc.
That is why I do not doubt in the fact itself - I assume he
is telling truth: he is not changing water since January.
But I would like to know what kind of tank it is, its size, etc.