Is This a Good Deal?

Haywood Jablowme wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

Soft corals can be very low maintainance, and quite impressive looking.

So can some hard corals.

I'm considering using compact florescent lighting (and not metal
halides). Will the soft corals be OK with these?

Many will, yes.

I don't really want
the heat associated with metal halides.

Don't blame you. I got rid of my halide/actinic comba, and put in T5
lighting.

Mike

In article ,
wrote:

Haywood Jablowme wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

Soft corals can be very low maintainance, and quite impressive looking.

So can some hard corals.

I'm considering using compact florescent lighting (and not metal
halides). Will the soft corals be OK with these?

Many will, yes.

I don't really want
the heat associated with metal halides.

Don't blame you. I got rid of my halide/actinic comba, and put in T5
lighting.

Mike
I'm trying to do as much reading as I can right now. I have seen a
number of pictures on the internet showing large tanks with both soft
corals and large angelfish (i.e. Koran Angelfish, Emperor Angelfish).
Does anyone know how these people are getting away with this? I'm
guessing that eventually the corals (they look like soft leather
corals) must be replaced. Won't angelfish like this eat soft corals?
This is what I always thought. If anyone has any insight on this, I
would appreciate some guidance. If there is a way to maintain a large
aquarium with both soft corals and Angelfish, I would really be
interested.

Haywood Jablowme wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

I don't really want
the heat associated with metal halides.

Don't blame you. I got rid of my halide/actinic comba, and put in T5
lighting.

I'm trying to do as much reading as I can right now. I have seen a
number of pictures on the internet showing large tanks with both soft
corals and large angelfish (i.e. Koran Angelfish, Emperor Angelfish).
Does anyone know how these people are getting away with this? I'm
guessing that eventually the corals (they look like soft leather
corals) must be replaced. Won't angelfish like this eat soft corals?
This is what I always thought. If anyone has any insight on this, I
would appreciate some guidance. If there is a way to maintain a large
aquarium with both soft corals and Angelfish, I would really be
interested.

Butterflies are much worse, but even they aren't too bad, if properly
fed.

The centropyge angels are really not much of a problem to all but the
most delicates corals.

Mike

Haywood Jablowme wrote:

Won't angelfish like this eat soft corals?

Some will. The Swallowtail and Lamarck's angels do not. The Rock Beauty is also
ok, but it eats sponges, so it's a bit hard to keep. The Asfur, Chrysurus,
Imperator, and Navarchus angels are said to be ok with "noxious soft corals."
Which corals are noxious is another research project.

All other large angels for sale on the Foster & Smith website are likely to at
least nip at corals of any type.

George Patterson
Forgive your enemies. But always remember who they are.

Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...

Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
weekend.

All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...

The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
real problem.

My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
directly into the hood.

Fish a 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
speciosus).

My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
Any suggestions?

Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).

What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.

I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.

I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
2 of my favourites anyway



"Haywood Jablowme" wrote in message
...

Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...

Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
weekend.

All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...

The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
real problem.

My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
directly into the hood.

Fish a 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
speciosus).

My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
Any suggestions?

Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).

What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.

I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
next time I'm shopping.

Two questions:

1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
feeders?

2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
this present a problem when doing maintenance?

Thanks, again, for the suggestions!

HJ

In article ,
swarvegorilla wrote:

I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
2 of my favourites anyway



"Haywood Jablowme" wrote in message
...

Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...

Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
weekend.

All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...

The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
real problem.

My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
directly into the hood.

Fish a 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
speciosus).

My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
Any suggestions?

Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).

What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.

I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.

You realy are stuooooooooooopid huh, having to ask this bunch of
perverts what fish to buy talk about a dumbass!]
]
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:12:32 -0400, Haywood Jablowme
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
next time I'm shopping.

Two questions:

1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
feeders?

2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
this present a problem when doing maintenance?

Thanks, again, for the suggestions!

HJ

In article ,
swarvegorilla wrote:

I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
2 of my favourites anyway



"Haywood Jablowme" wrote in message
...

Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...

Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
weekend.

All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...

The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
real problem.

My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
directly into the hood.

Fish a 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
speciosus).

My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
Any suggestions?

Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).

What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.

I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.

"Haywood Jablowme" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the suggestions. I will definitely look for these fish the
next time I'm shopping.

Two questions:

1) Is the Lawnmower Blenny good for cleaning up food that makes it all
the way to the bottom? Can he compete for food with aggressive
feeders?

they are excellent algae eaters, but yes they are ok in a scrap. They enjoy
algae discs if you wanted a sinking treat.
Mine come to the surface with the frenzy now, but at first were shy.
It's also a 'common name' for a group of blennys that vary in colour shape
and size in the trade.

2) I believe all of the rabbitfish are venemous. Is this right? Does
this present a problem when doing maintenance?

Not for me yet.
I'm scared of lionfish, mantis shrimp, big triggers, ockys and cone snails
when playing around.
The foxface, he's me mate




Thanks, again, for the suggestions!

HJ

No prob mate
Don't mind the trolls
they die hard but mean well.
or something like that,
it's roots are long lost in lameness



In article ,
swarvegorilla wrote:

I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and
a
lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
2 of my favourites anyway



"Haywood Jablowme" wrote in message
...

Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an
update...

Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
weekend.

All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...

The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
real problem.

My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
directly into the hood.

Fish a 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
speciosus).

My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
Any suggestions?

Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).

What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.

I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.

Who really gives a **** .....are you related to CArol Gulleys
grandkid. She eats lots of bananas!

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:04:46 +1100, "swarvegorilla"
wrote:
I would have to say that 'fox faced rabbit fish' are an awesome fish, and a
lawn mower blenny is also a good buy.
2 of my favourites anyway



"Haywood Jablowme" wrote in message
news:220320072141274039%Haywood.Jablowme@yahoo .com...

Since everyone was so much help, I thought I should provide an update...

Tank was delivered and set up in January. The water went in and the
pumps started for the first time on 1/21. My LFS recommended cycling
the tank with damsels. So, I added 18 mixed damsels the following
weekend.

All went well but the cycle never started. So, the LFS gave me some
Ammonium Chloride to get things started. It worked as subsequent tests
showed that the cycle had indeed started. It took nearly two months,
but I returned the damsels and stocked my tank. I only lost 3 damsels
and one of them was my own fault as he was hurt when I tried to catch
him. Catching damsels in a 150 gallon tank is not the easiest thing...

The compact florescent bulbs actually produce more heat than I
expected. Not as much as metal halide bulbs, but still enough to raise
the temperature in the tank. The room runs between 76 F and 77 F.
Running the lights, the water in the tank is normally 79 F to 81 F. I
think I am going to get a small fan to mount in the hood. This way, I
can blow some of that heat out into the room. Hopefully, this will
cause the water to be a little cooler. Here in Florida, heat can be a
real problem.

My lighting consists of two of the Sunpaq retrofit kits installed
directly into the hood.

Fish a 3 Heniochus Butterflyfish, 2 Pacific Blue Tangs, 1 Longnose
Butterfly (not sure if its flavissimus or longirostris, does anyone
know an easy way to tell?), and a small Golden Jack (Gnathanodon
speciosus).

My plans are to add a group of Tangs (yellow/purple/sailfin) and a
Centropyge angel in a couple of weeks. Then I will begin looking for a
spectacular large angelfish to add. Perhaps an Emperor or a Blueface.
Any suggestions?

Never did get any Ocellaris Clownfish. In my area, there are simply no
large ones available. Only the very tiny ones which I didn't think
were appropriate for a tank this size (150 gallons).

What do you think of my fish selection so far? Unfortunately, I had to
select from what he had. Also, I only selected from fish that he has
had for at least two weeks and those that readily accepted food.

I would really welcome any suggestions for future additions.