So how do I kill off a heron thats eating my koi

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:06:34 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

Your not paying attention Galen. I own and have quite a few firearms
already. I have no need to buy a weapaon at Wally World. I can nail a
ground hog in the eye at 100 yards without a problem with a 22 and a
heron is certianly not a hard target. They are however best shot with
a 22 cal anyhow as they are more apt to get hit, and then fly away and
off the property to die elsewhere, and save the problem of having to
SSS the dam thing. You do know what SSS is I presume. Shoot, shovel
and shutup. So to me a 22 cal preferably a low velocity target round
not a CCI mini mag or high velocity hollow point is whats best so it
wounds the bird, but enables it to get gone and away from the area.

But that's not at all what you said, you claimed to not know which was
better, a .22 or a shotgun. I concluded that if you didn't even know that,
you had no business being around firearms.

Odds are it will be dead within 24 hours and if it suffers so what,
its pay back for my fish being speared and not killed....

You and I have vastly different values, I see.

As to your
claim your still assuming what I can get or do without any validity on
your part in even knowing who or where I am and why I can probably or
may already have a permit to harvest herons and other birds of prey as
such.....

Knock yourself out then, you obviously don't need any advice, certainly not
on this subject.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
Tristan wrote:
[ . . . ]

Galen, have you looked at to whom you're responding? Why bother? Kf him!

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On 05 Dec 2006 23:47:06 GMT, wrote:

Galen Hekhuis wrote:
Tristan wrote:
[ . . . ]

Galen, have you looked at to whom you're responding? Why bother? Kf him!

I tried killfiles and various things for some ten years, and wound up
fussing, tuning, and monitoring them so much I decided that for me they
were much more trouble than they were worth. But then I'll read just about
anything for awhile. I've admitted to reading the fine print on the back
a toothpaste tube over and over, even though I know how the whole thing
turns out.

I'll answer anything I have knowledge of, and that isn't a whole lot of
things so I have to jump at every chance I get. I have some hot buttons
too, and guns is one of them. One of my hottest buttons is caves, but
people rarely press that one, so I have to make do with some of the lesser
ones.

I have a pretty good idea to whom I respond. I don't depend on headers
near as much as I used to, and quite often now even forget to look at them.
I generally get an idea of who the individual is by noting grammar and/or
spelling errors, tone, that sort of thing.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On 05 Dec 2006 23:47:06 GMT, wrote:
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
Tristan wrote:
[ . . . ]

Galen, have you looked at to whom you're responding? Why bother? Kf him!

I tried killfiles and various things for some ten years, and wound up
fussing, tuning, and monitoring them so much I decided that for me they
were much more trouble than they were worth. [ . . . ]

I'll answer anything I have knowledge of, and that isn't a whole lot of
things so I have to jump at every chance I get. I have some hot buttons
too, and guns is one of them.[]

Well. you may no longer wish to have a civil discourse with me, as I am a
staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment. I bought my first gun at age 12,
have been shooting since I was 7 and own a shotgun, a couple of pistols and
several rifles, with enough ammo for each to last beyond my death (I'm 71).
One of the main differences between me and the one to whom you responded is
that I am a responsible gun owner, I practice regularly and I respect and
obey the law. And I don't think I'm God!

I had a heron problem about 10 years ago. The buzzard got 2 of my koi and a
goldfish! I put up bird net and have had no problem since.

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Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !
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Tristan wrote:
Would a shotgun or a 22 be better? It has cleane dme out of my 4 to 6
inch goldies already, and is starting on my koi..........how about a
fish baited with a treble hook?

The only point that I see of this post is to try and see what may or
might not get past any moderators on a moderated rec.ponds...not a
legitimate question but a bit of a game.....

I believe you have your answer...although I haven't done this in the
right order but I'm tired....the question is valid and on-topic.....so
why wouldn't it get posted even though the sentiments expressed are
designed to be imflammatory ......if it went further down the line then
maybe it would get banned....but I'm sure that you are not even slightly
serious in the solutions you are proposing....you are playing a game to
see what would happen....and that is fine.....you got answers on the
unmoderated group....most valid as well....I'm sorry, but I don't see
how moderation should impact this post....apart from thinking (sorry)
that the post was deliberately made to inflame people.....which afterall
is your intention albeit just to test how the moderators would react...

Gill

PS I have no idea whatsoever how this would get through any moderation
process but once the RFD gets published, and we do need to wait for this
rather than speculate, we can then argue about the moderation
policy...rather than trying to preempt this....

On 06 Dec 2006 00:31:11 GMT, wrote:

Well. you may no longer wish to have a civil discourse with me, as I am a
staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment. I bought my first gun at age 12,
have been shooting since I was 7 and own a shotgun, a couple of pistols and
several rifles, with enough ammo for each to last beyond my death (I'm 71).

I don't know why I wouldn't wish to have a civil discourse with you, in
sight is a little hat I got by being a Charter Founder of the Second
Amendment Task Force. Besides, my brother is a retired Marine mustang, we
could talk about him if nothing else.

One of the main differences between me and the one to whom you responded is
that I am a responsible gun owner, I practice regularly and I respect and
obey the law. And I don't think I'm God!

I had a heron problem about 10 years ago. The buzzard got 2 of my koi and a
goldfish! I put up bird net and have had no problem since.

I had an alligator in my back pond last year. Turns out it ate all the
turtles and fish back there. A net wouldn't have helped at all, in fact, I
don't know what would. Fortunately it just died of natural causes, and I
didn't have to figure out how to deal with it.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On 06 Dec 2006 00:31:11 GMT, wrote:

Well. you may no longer wish to have a civil discourse with me, as I am
a staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment. I bought my first gun at age
12, have been shooting since I was 7 and own a shotgun, a couple of
pistols and several rifles, with enough ammo for each to last beyond my
death (I'm 71).

I don't know why I wouldn't wish to have a civil discourse with you, in
sight is a little hat I got by being a Charter Founder of the Second
Amendment Task Force. Besides, my brother is a retired Marine mustang,
we could talk about him if nothing else.

I was an acive duty Marine briefly during the Korean War. I greatly admire
mustang officers. Please thank your brother for me. Semper Fi, bro. I owe
ya a drink!

One of the main differences between me and the one to whom you responded
is that I am a responsible gun owner, I practice regularly and I respect
and obey the law. And I don't think I'm God!

I had a heron problem about 10 years ago. The buzzard got 2 of my koi
and a goldfish! I put up bird net and have had no problem since.

I had an alligator in my back pond last year. Turns out it ate all the
turtles and fish back there. A net wouldn't have helped at all, in fact,
I don't know what would. Fortunately it just died of natural causes, and
I didn't have to figure out how to deal with it.

No alligators out here in So Cal. That's where I would consider shooting
it, as they make good eatin', too. Quaranteed recipe on request. ;-)

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Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!

Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! !
~Semper Fi~

On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:33:07 +0000, Gill Passman wrote:

[...]
The only point that I see of this post is to try and see what may or
might not get past any moderators on a moderated rec.ponds...not a
legitimate question but a bit of a game.....

And that will be a valid line of questioning, although premature at this
point.

I believe you have your answer...although I haven't done this in the
right order but I'm tired....the question is valid and on-topic.....so
why wouldn't it get posted even though the sentiments expressed are
designed to be imflammatory ......if it went further down the line then
maybe it would get banned....but I'm sure that you are not even slightly
serious in the solutions you are proposing....you are playing a game to
see what would happen....and that is fine.....you got answers on the
unmoderated group....most valid as well....I'm sorry, but I don't see
how moderation should impact this post....apart from thinking (sorry)
that the post was deliberately made to inflame people.....which afterall
is your intention albeit just to test how the moderators would react...

Gill

PS I have no idea whatsoever how this would get through any moderation
process but once the RFD gets published, and we do need to wait for this
rather than speculate, we can then argue about the moderation
policy...rather than trying to preempt this....

Exactly. Once the RFD is published, people will know exactly what
moderation policies and moderators are being proposed. At that time, I
recommend posing hypothetical questions to these moderators about how they
would deal with certain posts. You can either make posts up or find actual
posts. Not only does this help you understand how the proposed moderators
think, it gives them practice in making moderation decisions. The sort of
thing that "Tristan" has been posting will be quite useful for this
process. Thank you, Tristan. And thanks to you, Gill, for drawing
attention to this.

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Jayne

On 06 Dec 2006 00:56:55 GMT, wrote:

I was an acive duty Marine briefly during the Korean War. I greatly admire
mustang officers. Please thank your brother for me. Semper Fi, bro. I owe
ya a drink!

I never even made NCO in the Air Force. The highest I made was A1C, as
they called it then. My Dad was an officer, my grandfather was an officer.
I kept trying to tell them that it was a little bit different being
enlisted. My brother understood and never forgot. I served under a lot of
different officers, but only a very, very few were enlisted once. I think
it makes a difference. I've got a hell of a lot of respect for that.

No alligators out here in So Cal. That's where I would consider shooting
it, as they make good eatin', too. Quaranteed recipe on request. ;-)

You can't even look at them cross-eyed here. Well, that may be changing.
They had a limited alligator hunt this year, but it was quite expensive and
there were all kinds of hoops to jump through. There's talk about
loosening up the protections they currently have, there are quite a few of
them now. It's really tough to peacefully co-exist with them.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:10:49 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

Now just to set the record straight, doyou really think this post
would have ever gotten into a moderated group?

To set the record straight, as you put it, your original post, Kathy's
follow up, your follow up to that follow up, my follow up... you get the
picture, they all would be "allowed" if I were the moderator.

And to set the record even straighter, we've already discussed _exactly_
this sort of advice, specifically because the one illegal recommendation
that comes often on this group is the advice to kill a Heron (killing most
of the other predators is much easier, legally). The consensus is that the
correct way to deal with illegal, or just plain stupid, advice is in the
newsgroup, not the moderation process.
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derek