Blue Life Phosphate Control 1oz

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"TheRock" wrote in message
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OK, Just did a test a little over 2 hours later 10:15pm
and Phosphates are almost not detectable. WOW !

I'll test again tomorrow night.

Actually bought it he http://www.fragfarmer.com/home.php
$20 plus ship

So far looking good...again all fish and corals are fine.

Do you have some soft corals like toadstool Sarcophyton coral ?
They react unhealthy to poisoning with aluminium ions...

Yes 2 Sarcophyton frags. I just cut a monster 3 months ago. Traded 4 kept
2.
They look fine. ZERO PHOSPHATES TODAY !!!
This stuff works great. All water params are the same, including Copper and
Iron.
( I tested for everything I had a kit for )

2 THUMBS UP (for now)

I would be looking at how and why my phosphates got to where they are
than looking for a solution to a problem that at most seems like a
temporary bandaide. I am not familiar with the product you mention and
do not intend to get familiar withit or any other phosphate or other
ty0pe additive, but a lot of those products that kill off red slime
and lower phosphates do a lot more behind the scenes that is not
readily noticeable, such as effect beneficial bacteria etc......NOt
saying that products does or donp;t, but I would address the problem
why they go high to begin with and rectify that.

Just my opinion


On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:45:09 GMT, "TheRock" wrote:


"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:tGqdh.5440$sM2.3344@trndny05...
OK, Just did a test a little over 2 hours later 10:15pm
and Phosphates are almost not detectable. WOW !

I'll test again tomorrow night.

Actually bought it he http://www.fragfarmer.com/home.php
$20 plus ship

So far looking good...again all fish and corals are fine.

Do you have some soft corals like toadstool Sarcophyton coral ?
They react unhealthy to poisoning with aluminium ions...

Yes 2 Sarcophyton frags. I just cut a monster 3 months ago. Traded 4 kept
2.
They look fine. ZERO PHOSPHATES TODAY !!!
This stuff works great. All water params are the same, including Copper and
Iron.
( I tested for everything I had a kit for )

2 THUMBS UP (for now)

"Tristan" wrote in message ...
I would be looking at how and why my phosphates got to where they are
than looking for a solution to a problem that at most seems like a
temporary bandaide. I am not familiar with the product you mention and
do not intend to get familiar withit or any other phosphate or other
ty0pe additive, but a lot of those products that kill off red slime
and lower phosphates do a lot more behind the scenes that is not
readily noticeable, such as effect beneficial bacteria etc......NOt
saying that products does or donp;t, but I would address the problem
why they go high to begin with and rectify that.

I do not know how Blue Life product really works but I know
how other work. Take phosphate sponges or things like phosban.
They contain chemicals called iron oxides and iron hydroxides.
They are almost insoluble in water. In contact with phosphates
in solution washing over them (aquarium water) they bond with
phosphates and create also insoluble iron phosphates on the
crystal surface. When phosban is used up and all iron oxide is
covered with iron phosphate you simply remove the media from
the reactor or a filter bag and replace with the new media...
In effect these products REMOVE phosphates from water column.
Unfortunatelly, some iron ions does go to the water, but is it not
as harmfull as the aluminium ions used for the same purpose in
some other products made of alumina (Al2O3) like PhosGuard.

Here is an article about toxicity of aluminium in reef tank:
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...y2003/chem.htm
I wonder if there is any similar article about toxicity of iron ;-)

But that is why the question "what is inside Blue Life?" is important...

You make a good point but what are sources of phosphate ?
Water, bacteria, feces, uneaten food,frozen fish food, algae, fish
slime....YIKES !
I'll get to the bottom of it sooner or later, however maintaining a high
Phos level
for an extended period of time can be just as detrimental, I think.

I don't think you can compare Cyanobacteria products with this one
because they do other documented things that ARE undesirable. (like kill of
beneficial bacteria)

I do wish I had more info on this product.

If I see something bad happen, I'll post it. SO far everything's ok.

http://www.algone.com/phosphates.php



"Tristan" wrote in message
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I would be looking at how and why my phosphates got to where they are
than looking for a solution to a problem that at most seems like a
temporary bandaide. I am not familiar with the product you mention and
do not intend to get familiar withit or any other phosphate or other
ty0pe additive, but a lot of those products that kill off red slime
and lower phosphates do a lot more behind the scenes that is not
readily noticeable, such as effect beneficial bacteria etc......NOt
saying that products does or donp;t, but I would address the problem
why they go high to begin with and rectify that.

Just my opinion


On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:45:09 GMT, "TheRock" wrote:


"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:tGqdh.5440$sM2.3344@trndny05...
OK, Just did a test a little over 2 hours later 10:15pm
and Phosphates are almost not detectable. WOW !

I'll test again tomorrow night.

Actually bought it he http://www.fragfarmer.com/home.php
$20 plus ship

So far looking good...again all fish and corals are fine.

Do you have some soft corals like toadstool Sarcophyton coral ?
They react unhealthy to poisoning with aluminium ions...

Yes 2 Sarcophyton frags. I just cut a monster 3 months ago. Traded 4
kept
2.
They look fine. ZERO PHOSPHATES TODAY !!!
This stuff works great. All water params are the same, including Copper
and
Iron.
( I tested for everything I had a kit for )

2 THUMBS UP (for now)

TheRock wrote:

( I tested for everything I had a kit for )

What testing kit do you have?

George Patterson
Forgive your enemies. But always remember who they are.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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TheRock wrote:

( I tested for everything I had a kit for )

What testing kit do you have?

George Patterson
Forgive your enemies. But always remember who they are.

Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Inc.: Nitrate, Ammonia, Nitrite, Phosphate and
Calcium tests.
Seachem: Iron and Copper
Jungle Quick dip Aquarium multi tests
Red Sea pH and ALK

"TheRock" wrote in message news:VJHdh.5493$sM2.3323@trndny05...
So far looking good...again all fish and corals are fine.

Do you have some soft corals like toadstool Sarcophyton coral ?
They react unhealthy to poisoning with aluminium ions...

Yes 2 Sarcophyton frags.

I wonder how are your corals doing today, after couple
of days since first dose of Phosphate Control...
Any signs of change in looks/behaviour?

"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:VJHdh.5493$sM2.3323@trndny05...
So far looking good...again all fish and corals are fine.

Do you have some soft corals like toadstool Sarcophyton coral ?
They react unhealthy to poisoning with aluminium ions...

Yes 2 Sarcophyton frags.

I wonder how are your corals doing today, after couple
of days since first dose of Phosphate Control...
Any signs of change in looks/behaviour?

My yellow polyps closed up for about 1-1/2 days.
They are back to normal now. It may be because
they were in direct stream when I was adding this stuff.
But everything else is fine.

2 Sarcophyton
Ton of Zoanthus ...Yellow, green, blue, brown
Starburst Polyp
Goniopora - Almost 1 year old (nice pink with purple mouths)
Candy Cane
Ricordea Mushrooms
Red Mushrooms
blastomussa merletti
Clavularia Glove Polyps
And a few misc Acropora

I believe the culprit for the High Phosphates to begin with is the
water I have been adding. I'm about 5 months overdue in changing my RO/DI
filters and media.

"TheRock" wrote in message news:Qhzeh.290$Et5.56@trndny07...
I wonder how are your corals doing today, after couple
of days since first dose of Phosphate Control...
Any signs of change in looks/behaviour?

My yellow polyps closed up for about 1-1/2 days.
They are back to normal now. It may be because
they were in direct stream when I was adding this stuff.
But everything else is fine.

2 Sarcophyton
Ton of Zoanthus ...Yellow, green, blue, brown
Starburst Polyp
Goniopora - Almost 1 year old (nice pink with purple mouths)
Candy Cane
Ricordea Mushrooms
Red Mushrooms
blastomussa merletti
Clavularia Glove Polyps
And a few misc Acropora

I believe the culprit for the High Phosphates to begin with is the
water I have been adding. I'm about 5 months overdue in changing
my RO/DI filters and media.

I have found some specific info about this product on this forum:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=972723
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=444338
For some reason, chemistry experts there are not happy with the idea
of leaving phosphates in the tank (as sediments) and prefer usage
removable solid and porous filter media. They recommend watching
your carbonate hardness because this product might precipitate
carbonates as well as phosphates from your water column...
Also, elevated Lanthanum levels in the water might cause building
this element together with calcium into the coral skeletons and
coraline with unpredictable results...

But it was pointed out to me that there is an alternative to
the messy ferric oxide products like Phosban: PHOSaR made by
Warner Marine is made to be like granulated carbon: it does not
need the reactor, can be used like carbon in a filter bag...
http://www.warnermarine.com/indexsite.html

"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"TheRock" wrote in message
news:Qhzeh.290$Et5.56@trndny07...
I wonder how are your corals doing today, after couple
of days since first dose of Phosphate Control...
Any signs of change in looks/behaviour?

My yellow polyps closed up for about 1-1/2 days.
They are back to normal now. It may be because
they were in direct stream when I was adding this stuff.
But everything else is fine.

2 Sarcophyton
Ton of Zoanthus ...Yellow, green, blue, brown
Starburst Polyp
Goniopora - Almost 1 year old (nice pink with purple mouths)
Candy Cane
Ricordea Mushrooms
Red Mushrooms
blastomussa merletti
Clavularia Glove Polyps
And a few misc Acropora

I believe the culprit for the High Phosphates to begin with is the
water I have been adding. I'm about 5 months overdue in changing
my RO/DI filters and media.

I have found some specific info about this product on this forum:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=972723
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=444338
For some reason, chemistry experts there are not happy with the idea
of leaving phosphates in the tank (as sediments) and prefer usage
removable solid and porous filter media. They recommend watching
your carbonate hardness because this product might precipitate
carbonates as well as phosphates from your water column...
Also, elevated Lanthanum levels in the water might cause building
this element together with calcium into the coral skeletons and
coraline with unpredictable results...

But it was pointed out to me that there is an alternative to
the messy ferric oxide products like Phosban: PHOSaR made by
Warner Marine is made to be like granulated carbon: it does not need the
reactor, can be used like carbon in a filter bag...
http://www.warnermarine.com/indexsite.html

Good find sir !
I guess my feeling on it, is it's a quick fix that I will not use on a
regular basis.
I believe export via refugium/cheto is a better way than the chemical way.
BUT it's nice to have a quick fix.

I like the looks of that PHOSaR stuff.

Once I get my RO/DI filters and media replaced Phosphate wont be a problem
again.

Thanks !