Fresh Ocean Water

I am sure your water is safe to use, but your logic is skewed :-)
The store will sell whatever people will buy!

It's simply absurd they would use that SAME water in their tanks risking
their OWN INVESTMENT if it were not safe.

Pretty logic to me.

The water they use has a brand from a company specifying it is from Catalina
Island, which is located far enough from the coast. I assume they don't
take it from the beach but from open sea.

In my short journey in this reef hobbie, I have found some reputable LFS,
but still it is my resposibility to research my investment/purchases, and
believe me I learned the hard way. I know they want to make money but some
do it honestly.

For example, I get all kind of advise in this NG, but actually about 10%
worth something, It is my duty to pick the good apples and discard the
rotted ones, and at the same time avoid wasting time on endless arguments.

But I must say I got something from this NG, even when I was told I was
doomed to fail, my tank is good....

Yeah...it's just good =)

Ruben




"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"RubenD" wrote in message
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The water we get at the LFS is coming from the sea in Southern,
to be specific Catalina Island water. I even have to pay
a surcharge for the gas price raise.

Why would the sell me contaminated water?,
or even use it in their tanks?

It doesn't make sense.

I am sure your water is safe to use, but your logic is skewed :-)
The store will sell whatever people will buy!
That is the bottom line in every business...

It does not really matter if the usage of a given product
makes any sense or not. From the perspective of a businessman
this is not his decision for the usage has any sense or not.
It is your decision as a buyer!

There is probably many dozen products in your LFS that
you do not really need, or they do nothing for your reef
tank but the store owner will keep them on the shelf
because until people will buy it, he is MAKING MONEY on it.

And I would personaly use ocean water for a regular fish tank
ONLY if it was take far from the shore and far from the common
ship routes and cost less than the salt mix for a given volume...
Any salt mix you can buy makes good water for your fishtank.

"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
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What about parasites and other pathogens?

I think they are always present, but stress make the fish vulnerable,
otherwise, where would diseases come into the tank?

I would be more concern about toxic wastes (oils/gas/drainage) present on
the beach that hitchhikers.
Remember the shores are the skimmer of the sea.

Then again, that's my believe =)

Ruben

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
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Just checking for the source of the sand will be enough.
Don't use crude sand, buy it from a reliable aquaculturist.

A would rather prefer a crude sand, straight from the ocean
with all sand dwelling animals which would populate my tank.

Pszemol wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
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Just checking for the source of the sand will be enough.
Don't use crude sand, buy it from a reliable aquaculturist.

A would rather prefer a crude sand, straight from the ocean
with all sand dwelling animals which would populate my tank.

That would be the definition of live sand.

You sound like my German neighbor. He's no stranger to aquaculture and
recommends digging organic muck from streams for fresh water aquariums
and beach sand/water for salt water.

He loves to talk about getting some shrimp breed stock from a professor
only to be called a few months later wondering if he had any left.
Apparently, the professor's stock had all perished, but my friend had
managed to breed several hundred thousand by then. The professor
acquired a truck load as thanks for his initial gift.

--Kurt

"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message news
What about parasites and other pathogens?

what about them?

"KurtG" wrote in message .. .
Pszemol wrote:
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
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Just checking for the source of the sand will be enough.
Don't use crude sand, buy it from a reliable aquaculturist.

A would rather prefer a crude sand, straight from the ocean
with all sand dwelling animals which would populate my tank.

That would be the definition of live sand.

But in many stores you can buy a fake live sand...
It is wet and in a plastic bag and some few milions
of bacteria *at the time of packaging*...
In other words: it is a dead, wet sand.

You sound like my German neighbor. He's no stranger to aquaculture and
recommends digging organic muck from streams for fresh water aquariums
and beach sand/water for salt water.

That is the stuff :-)

He loves to talk about getting some shrimp breed stock from a professor
only to be called a few months later wondering if he had any left.
Apparently, the professor's stock had all perished, but my friend had
managed to breed several hundred thousand by then. The professor
acquired a truck load as thanks for his initial gift.

Cool story...

You can have a successful reef tank with silica sand, but
calcium sand is better.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



RTB wrote on 11/29/2006 1:27 PM:
Been using it for as long as I can remember myself and have yet to
have aproblem. Just do not get it after a heavy rain, or in areas
there is a heap of run off or where storm drains empty into the ocean
at. Same for the sand. I find the silica baed (Quartz) is as effective
in a marine tank as the high dollar aragonite. I just do not buy that
crap about aragonite being needed to help stabilize the ph or for
certain sand sifting critters..None of mine have complained.

Practically all live rock is taken from the sea.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Guayni; SAHS wrote on 11/30/2006 6:37 PM:
Live Rock/Sand are not taken from the sea, are they?
They are harvested from controlled tanks.
Are you adding to your tanks crude water/sand/rock?
Good luck!

"Pszemol" wrote in message
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"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
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The only small detail that you are not considering is that in the ocean
there are, other than contaminants, a whole spectrum of bacteria and
microorganisms that are dangerous to aquarium fish.
Misterious bacteria again...
Would you add the same "bacteria" with every live rock addition ?

I see no problem with Catalina water. I'm sure they take
it from a location away from pollution, and also filter
the water. You can always contact the company, and they
can tell you what measures they take to make sure it's safe.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



RubenD wrote on 12/1/2006 10:07 PM:
I am sure your water is safe to use, but your logic is skewed :-)
The store will sell whatever people will buy!

It's simply absurd they would use that SAME water in their tanks risking
their OWN INVESTMENT if it were not safe.

Pretty logic to me.

The water they use has a brand from a company specifying it is from Catalina
Island, which is located far enough from the coast. I assume they don't
take it from the beach but from open sea.

In my short journey in this reef hobbie, I have found some reputable LFS,
but still it is my resposibility to research my investment/purchases, and
believe me I learned the hard way. I know they want to make money but some
do it honestly.

For example, I get all kind of advise in this NG, but actually about 10%
worth something, It is my duty to pick the good apples and discard the
rotted ones, and at the same time avoid wasting time on endless arguments.

But I must say I got something from this NG, even when I was told I was
doomed to fail, my tank is good....

Yeah...it's just good =)

Ruben




"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"RubenD" wrote in message
t...
The water we get at the LFS is coming from the sea in Southern,
to be specific Catalina Island water. I even have to pay
a surcharge for the gas price raise.

Why would the sell me contaminated water?,
or even use it in their tanks?

It doesn't make sense.
I am sure your water is safe to use, but your logic is skewed :-)
The store will sell whatever people will buy!
That is the bottom line in every business...

It does not really matter if the usage of a given product
makes any sense or not. From the perspective of a businessman
this is not his decision for the usage has any sense or not.
It is your decision as a buyer!

There is probably many dozen products in your LFS that
you do not really need, or they do nothing for your reef
tank but the store owner will keep them on the shelf
because until people will buy it, he is MAKING MONEY on it.

And I would personaly use ocean water for a regular fish tank
ONLY if it was take far from the shore and far from the common
ship routes and cost less than the salt mix for a given volume...
Any salt mix you can buy makes good water for your fishtank.

Hello!
Here is a company that differs from your post.
http://sealifeflorida.com/catalog/in...04e5 fc05f1d7
BTW, they operate from Tavernier, Fla. I worked there and is as tropical as
it gets in the US, only subtropical yet they don't collect from Key Largo.

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Practically all live rock is taken from the sea.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Guayni; SAHS wrote on 11/30/2006 6:37 PM:
Live Rock/Sand are not taken from the sea, are they?
They are harvested from controlled tanks.
Are you adding to your tanks crude water/sand/rock?
Good luck!

"Pszemol" wrote in message
...
"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message
.. .
The only small detail that you are not considering is that in the ocean
there are, other than contaminants, a whole spectrum of bacteria and
microorganisms that are dangerous to aquarium fish.
Misterious bacteria again...
Would you add the same "bacteria" with every live rock addition ?

"Guayni; SAHS" wrote in message ...
Here is a company that differs from your post.
http://sealifeflorida.com/catalog/in...04e5 fc05f1d7
BTW, they operate from Tavernier, Fla. I worked there and is as tropical as
it gets in the US, only subtropical yet they don't collect from Key Largo.

Aquacultured live rock means that dry, bare rock harvested
on the land quarry is put into the ocean, offshore and kept
there for two years to allow it to be covered with marine life...
Than it is harvested from the ocean like any other live rock.

So Wayne is right: even the rock you pointed to here comes from
the ocean straight to your reef tank with all good/bad stuff.