Pond sealer & dead plants

A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.
I went to a bit of expense & got new ones - same thing happened.
I could see no warning on the can & we followed directions to the letter re
changing the water etc., before re-introducing the fish again.
Is there anything we can do as we live in a hot climate & the fish need
protection from the heat. We do have shadecloth over the pond but would also
like some plants to survive.
Anyone got any ideas please?

Ta Pat

maybe somebody in rec.ponds would know the answer to this. but post it over here too
to make sure Pat gets the answer. Ingrid

"PatC" wrote:

A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.
I went to a bit of expense & got new ones - same thing happened.
I could see no warning on the can & we followed directions to the letter re
changing the water etc., before re-introducing the fish again.
Is there anything we can do as we live in a hot climate & the fish need
protection from the heat. We do have shadecloth over the pond but would also
like some plants to survive.
Anyone got any ideas please?

Ta Pat





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Oh I am saure Carol aka Zebulon will respond, and of course as usual
will have the totally wrong answer. But then someone will reposnd with
correct answer and then she can go into action and ad lib her
rendition.


On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:58:54 GMT, wrote:

maybe somebody in rec.ponds would know the answer to this. but post it over here too
to make sure Pat gets the answer. Ingrid

"PatC" wrote:

A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.
I went to a bit of expense & got new ones - same thing happened.
I could see no warning on the can & we followed directions to the letter re
changing the water etc., before re-introducing the fish again.
Is there anything we can do as we live in a hot climate & the fish need
protection from the heat. We do have shadecloth over the pond but would also
like some plants to survive.
Anyone got any ideas please?

Ta Pat





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http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/
sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup
www.drsolo.com
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I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website.
I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site.
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:58:54 GMT, wrote:

maybe somebody in rec.ponds would know the answer to this. but post it over here too
to make sure Pat gets the answer. Ingrid

"PatC" wrote:

A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.
I went to a bit of expense & got new ones - same thing happened.
I could see no warning on the can & we followed directions to the letter re
changing the water etc., before re-introducing the fish again.
Is there anything we can do as we live in a hot climate & the fish need
protection from the heat. We do have shadecloth over the pond but would also
like some plants to survive.
Anyone got any ideas please?

Ta Pat

What I need to know is what are the water parameters, especially KH & pH?
What kind of media were the plants planted in, how fertilized, with what,
how often? What kinds of plants. ~ jan

wrote:
A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.

Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.

wrote in message
...
maybe somebody in rec.ponds would know the answer to this. but post it
over here too
to make sure Pat gets the answer. Ingrid

"PatC" wrote:

A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.

Are you sure they're dead and not dormant? Are the roots rotten and foul
smelling? I found most pond plants do better in either baskets or pots with
drain holes around the bottom.

I went to a bit of expense & got new ones - same thing happened.

Why not take one back where you bought it and have them look at it. Are
these water lilies? There's a root-crown rot some are prone to. The
disease would probably spread to any new ones you added.

I could see no warning on the can & we followed directions to the letter
re
changing the water etc., before re-introducing the fish again.
Is there anything we can do as we live in a hot climate & the fish need
protection from the heat.

What kind of plants were these? I found pond plants tolorant of a wide
range of water conditions over the past 12 years.

We do have shadecloth over the pond but would also
like some plants to survive.
Anyone got any ideas please?

Ta Pat
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Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.
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Another ponder here suggested 1 tbs. Potassium per 1000g of pond water.
I've been adding that every month over the summer. It's the only fertilizer
I use for everything but the water lilies. I use Jobe's Rose Spikes for
them. They thrive and bloom like crazy until fall. :-)

Although I tried every suggestion regarding fertilizers I heard about, I
never did get my Lotus to bloom. I think it finally died last summer as it
turned brown before the fall chill.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

submitted that Pat wrote:
A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.

Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.

Good catch D. I didn't even think about why it might have all worked in the
old pond and now isn't in the new. It all comes down to water parameters.
Hopefully Pat has some test kits. ~ jan

Yea right carol add stuiff bewfore you really do any tests to know
whats is lacking if anyhting at all., your a dumbass plain and
simple....or is it Angela Nogales now?

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:58:45 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


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egroups.com...
Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.
==========================
Another ponder here suggested 1 tbs. Potassium per 1000g of pond water.
I've been adding that every month over the summer. It's the only fertilizer
I use for everything but the water lilies. I use Jobe's Rose Spikes for
them. They thrive and bloom like crazy until fall. :-)

Although I tried every suggestion regarding fertilizers I heard about, I
never did get my Lotus to bloom. I think it finally died last summer as it
turned brown before the fall chill.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:44:22 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


wrote in message
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maybe somebody in rec.ponds would know the answer to this. but post it
over here too
to make sure Pat gets the answer. Ingrid

"PatC" wrote:

A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.

Are you sure they're dead and not dormant? Are the roots rotten and foul
smelling? I found most pond plants do better in either baskets or pots with
drain holes around the bottom.
Yea, oprobbaly dormant like yur brain CArol. Probably stinks like your
attictude also.

I went to a bit of expense & got new ones - same thing happened.

Why not take one back where you bought it and have them look at it. Are
these water lilies? There's a root-crown rot some are prone to. The
disease would probably spread to any new ones you added.

Why are you assuming anything carol. Thats one big problem of yours,
you assume to freaking much

I could see no warning on the can & we followed directions to the letter
re
changing the water etc., before re-introducing the fish again.
Is there anything we can do as we live in a hot climate & the fish need
protection from the heat.

What kind of plants were these? I found pond plants tolorant of a wide
range of water conditions over the past 12 years.
Well you already assume they are lilys.why ask the question at this
point CArol?

We do have shadecloth over the pond but would also
like some plants to survive.
Anyone got any ideas please?

Yes, one good suggestion. Do not pay CArol aka Zebulon or Andrea
Nogales any attention., She is a vile and vulgar old loon that craves
attention and does not have a clue what she is even talking about. She
adlibs most of what she posts.



Ta Pat



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