Pond sealer & dead plants

submitted that Pat wrote:
A few months ago we applied a 'pond sealer' as our concrete based pond had
sprung a leak.
Since then all has been fine with the fish & no leaking. They have even
spawned & we have young goldfish (fanatails & shebunkins) thriving in a
seperate area.
All the plants that we had previously were vigorous & needed constant
cutting back but have now died.

Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.

Good catch D. I didn't even think about why it might have all worked in the
old pond and now isn't in the new. It all comes down to water parameters.
Hopefully Pat has some test kits. ~ jan

"~ janj" wrote in message
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Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.

Good catch D. I didn't even think about why it might have all worked in
the
old pond and now isn't in the new. It all comes down to water parameters.
Hopefully Pat has some test kits. ~ jan
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If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........
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ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.

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Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.
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PH,... TDS etc. Sure, the fish may sicken and die - but not pond type
plants. Lack of nutrients don't kill plants quickly. I've been growing and
selling pond plants for over 5 years now and never once saw them suddenly
die due to a total water change.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named Carol aka Andrea Nogales

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:01:41 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


wrote in message
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Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.
==================
PH,... TDS etc. Sure, the fish may sicken and die - but not pond type
plants. Lack of nutrients don't kill plants quickly. I've been growing and
selling pond plants for over 5 years now and never once saw them suddenly
die due to a total water change.



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Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named Tristan aka Roy Hauer



"Tristan" wrote in message
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Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named Carol aka Andrea Nogales

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:01:41 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


wrote in message
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Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish
would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to
acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.
==================
PH,... TDS etc. Sure, the fish may sicken and die - but not pond type
plants. Lack of nutrients don't kill plants quickly. I've been
growing and
selling pond plants for over 5 years now and never once saw them
suddenly
die due to a total water change.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named TRistan aka Andrea Nogales

"Tristan" wrote in message
...


Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named Carol aka Andrea Nogales

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:01:41 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


wrote in message
legroups.com...

Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish
would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to
acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.
==================
PH,... TDS etc. Sure, the fish may sicken and die - but not pond type
plants. Lack of nutrients don't kill plants quickly. I've been
growing and
selling pond plants for over 5 years now and never once saw them
suddenly
die due to a total water change.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0600, Zëbulon wrote:

=====================
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........

Going against my better judgment to reply to this, but fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan

Number on water parameters would be nice as would a list of so called
plants. Any other repely you get is gonna be a guess without having
all the facts. Any infoyou get from Zebulon alka CArol Gulley aka
Andrea NOgales would be bull**** anyhow and needs to be taken with
agrain of salt. She is notoriious for giving erroneous info anyhow.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:57:53 GMT, ~ janj wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0600, Zëbulon wrote:

=====================
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........

Going against my better judgment to reply to this, but fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Number on water parameters would be nice as would a list of so called
plants. Any other repely you get is gonna be a guess without having
all the facts. Any infoyou get from Tristan alka Roy Hauer aka
Andrea NOgales would be bull**** anyhow and needs to be taken with
agrain of salt. He is notoriious for giving erroneous info anyhow.

"Tristan" wrote in message
...


Number on water parameters would be nice as would a list of so called
plants. Any other repely you get is gonna be a guess without having
all the facts. Any infoyou get from Zebulon alka CArol Gulley aka
Andrea NOgales would be bull**** anyhow and needs to be taken with
agrain of salt. She is notoriious for giving erroneous info anyhow.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:57:53 GMT, ~ janj wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:

=====================
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish
would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to
acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not
too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that
would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........

Going against my better judgment to reply to this, but fish can
survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine"
is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!