Pond sealer & dead plants

"~ janj" wrote in message
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Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.

Good catch D. I didn't even think about why it might have all worked in
the
old pond and now isn't in the new. It all comes down to water parameters.
Hopefully Pat has some test kits. ~ jan
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If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........
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ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0600, Zëbulon wrote:

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If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........

Going against my better judgment to reply to this, but fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan

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Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.
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PH,... TDS etc. Sure, the fish may sicken and die - but not pond type
plants. Lack of nutrients don't kill plants quickly. I've been growing and
selling pond plants for over 5 years now and never once saw them suddenly
die due to a total water change.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö ~~~~ }((((({*

Really so much for what you automatically assume dumbass! There is
just too many unasnered parts to make any kind of real assessment
anyhow. Now go away.,

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"~ janj" wrote in message
m...
Not a pond person but I keep planted aquaria and am constantly dosing
them with one nutrient or another. Do you suppose that the leaky pond
obtained some nutrients from the surrounding soil, and that
water-topping-off to compensate for leaks also added elements that the
plants liked? If so, water tests for macronutrients and addition of
lacking nutrients might help - don't forget the trace elements.
d.

Good catch D. I didn't even think about why it might have all worked in
the
old pond and now isn't in the new. It all comes down to water parameters.
Hopefully Pat has some test kits. ~ jan
=====================
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Is that so...still yet more babbling idiotic statements from a
babbling idiot named Carol aka Andrea Nogales

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:01:41 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


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Zëbulon wrote:
If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock.
Nutrients pH.
d.
==================
PH,... TDS etc. Sure, the fish may sicken and die - but not pond type
plants. Lack of nutrients don't kill plants quickly. I've been growing and
selling pond plants for over 5 years now and never once saw them suddenly
die due to a total water change.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Number on water parameters would be nice as would a list of so called
plants. Any other repely you get is gonna be a guess without having
all the facts. Any infoyou get from Zebulon alka CArol Gulley aka
Andrea NOgales would be bull**** anyhow and needs to be taken with
agrain of salt. She is notoriious for giving erroneous info anyhow.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:57:53 GMT, ~ janj wrote:

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:28:10 -0600, Zëbulon wrote:

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If the water was that drastically different I would think the fish would
have also reacted badly yet the OP says they're fine. I have to acclimate
every fish I buy here or they die from what was called PH shock not too long
ago. Plants don't just drop over dead, especially the new ones that would
not have been as badly effected by such a drastic difference. Plants
starved for nutrients fade away.........

Going against my better judgment to reply to this, but fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

~ janj wrote:
... fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan

Pretty good discussion so far. Ingrid has almost certainly thought of
this already, but the sealer may be somehow toxic to plants but ok with
fish. That would not necessarily show up in any of the usual water
tests. Another 100% water change would reduce this factor, because most
of the possible toxins may have leached by now.

OTH, perhaps catfish chow is the secret ingredient for growing pond
plants ) .
d.

No actually for one person its Wally Worlds cat food!

On 7 Jan 2007 14:00:39 -0800, wrote:


~ janj wrote:
... fish can survive
high pH where plants will die. Plus I think saying something is "fine" is
pretty general, goldfish are tough. ~ jan

Pretty good discussion so far. Ingrid has almost certainly thought of
this already, but the sealer may be somehow toxic to plants but ok with
fish. That would not necessarily show up in any of the usual water
tests. Another 100% water change would reduce this factor, because most
of the possible toxins may have leached by now.

OTH, perhaps catfish chow is the secret ingredient for growing pond
plants ) .
d.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Tristan wrote:
No actually for one person its Wally Worlds cat food!

Whoops, I'll have to pay more attention when lurking. That new RPM
group will be fun, eh?
d.