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"Tynk" wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 4:06?pm, "Don Freeman" wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message

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On Feb 16, 11:52?am, Z?bulon wrote:

Insane nonsense snipped

What part of STOP don't you understand?
What part of REPLY VIA EMAIL don't you understand? Are you a moron?

Tynk,
Take you own advice, or even better use your killfile. Since I placed her
in mine (along with Tristan and all of their sockpuppets), all I see are
others' responses to her. Every once in a while I have to adjust it to
take
into account the nym-shifting but it is a small price to pay to keep from
having to weed out all the bull**** to get to the milk.

Best,
Don

--
Ever had one of those days where you just felt
like:http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html?
(Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time)

Don,
I wish I could reply to her via email. Trust me, I've tried.
It doesn't go through.
The only reason I even bother is because of all the newbies out there
who may take the false or incomplete info she gives out and think it's
correct. By the time something goes wrong, they wouldn't know what
caused it or who told them what.
Newbies are bombarded with all sorts of things they are told...whether
wrong or right, they are hit like a ton of bricks and their heads are
left spinning.
You see, when somebody says something that isn't right, and a bunch of
others correct them, then they can assume who's got the right info for
them.


I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. But when you go on
arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
you're the one giving bad info. Everyone has their own opinions on things,
and they all have a right to it. Newbies just have to look at different
opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the right
conclusion. The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not bad
mouth others.

Jen

"Jen" wrote in message
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I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. But when you go on
arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
you're the one giving bad info. Everyone has their own opinions on
things, and they all have a right to it. Newbies just have to look at
different opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the
right conclusion. The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not
bad mouth others.

Jen
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Amen and thank you!

You will learn in time that what works for one person and their fish may be
the worst advice for someone else. Newbies learn what works for them over
time through their own experience, reading, listening and asking questions
as they arise.
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On Feb 16, 6:45�pm, "Jen" wrote:


I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. *But when you go on
arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
you're the one giving bad info. *Everyone has their own opinions on things,
and they all have a right to it. *Newbies just have to look at different
opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the right
conclusion. *The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not bad
mouth others.

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Jen,
It's very obvious that you are still new to this newsgroup.
In time you will learn to understand why so many people are sick and
tired of "Koi-Lo, aka "Zebulon", or what ever name she changes to so
often.
There are many groups she posts on and in every one of them she argues
with people constantly.
She twists words and quotes around, ads points to make an argument
about something the person she is replying to never even said, makes
untrue or (very often) gives incomplete information.
When somebody corrects her or posts the valid info she left out she
starts a big thing, like what you see going on now.
I do not give out false information. If I give my opinion, I say it's
my opinion. Giving facts is not giving an opinion.
There's a huge difference there, and a newbie doesn't always know the
difference between them.
This is where the problem lies quite often with Zebulon (carol).
You will learn over time I'm not the bad guy here.
You're too new still and I believe you are thinking we are ganging up
on Zebulon. There are years worth of her acting like a doofus, and the
folks that have been around here for that long know all too well about
her.
Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
of time.
Years ago when I first replied to some incorrect info she posted about
Bettas, I got TONS of emails warning me about what I was in for.
Sure enough, she did and acted exactly as every one of those people
had said she would, and she still hasn't quit yet.
Many folks have her killfiled, meaning they can't see what she's
posting, but trust me....there are so many people who are so sick of
her behavior.
I usually only post to Rec.Aquariu.freshwater misc, and The Freshwater
Aquarium (the moderated group SO many of us moved to because of her
crap). It got that bad!
So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
true picture of what's really going on.

"Tynk" wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 6:45?pm, "Jen" wrote:


I'm fairly new here and I don't know who to believe. But when you go on
arguing like that and accuse people of lying, it tends to make me think
you're the one giving bad info. Everyone has their own opinions on things,
and they all have a right to it. Newbies just have to look at different
opinions and ideas on things and hopefully come up with the right
conclusion. The best you can do is to give your own advice, and not bad
mouth others.

Jen- Hide quoted text -

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Jen,
It's very obvious that you are still new to this newsgroup.
In time you will learn to understand why so many people are sick and
tired of "Koi-Lo, aka "Zebulon", or what ever name she changes to so
often.

I'm getting a bit sick of you going on as well, actually.

There are many groups she posts on and in every one of them she argues
with people constantly.
She twists words and quotes around, ads points to make an argument
about something the person she is replying to never even said, makes
untrue or (very often) gives incomplete information.
When somebody corrects her or posts the valid info she left out she
starts a big thing, like what you see going on now.

Because you're answering her.

I do not give out false information.

How does anyone know that?

If I give my opinion, I say it's
my opinion. Giving facts is not giving an opinion.
There's a huge difference there, and a newbie doesn't always know the
difference between them.
This is where the problem lies quite often with Zebulon (carol).
You will learn over time I'm not the bad guy here.
You're too new still and I believe you are thinking we are ganging up
on Zebulon.

No. Actually I can't tell who's complaining about who. I think I've
killfiled the worst ones, but you are getting just as bad.

There are years worth of her acting like a doofus, and the
folks that have been around here for that long know all too well about
her.
Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
of time.

I've already killfiled her anyway.

Years ago when I first replied to some incorrect info she posted about
Bettas, I got TONS of emails warning me about what I was in for.
Sure enough, she did and acted exactly as every one of those people
had said she would, and she still hasn't quit yet.
Many folks have her killfiled, meaning they can't see what she's
posting, but trust me....there are so many people who are so sick of
her behavior.

They're probably more sick of yours at the moment.

I usually only post to Rec.Aquariu.freshwater misc, and The Freshwater
Aquarium (the moderated group SO many of us moved to because of her
crap). It got that bad!
So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
true picture of what's really going on.

With all the people I'm getting in my killfile, I doubt I'll see much of it.

Jen

On Feb 18, 6:41?pm, "Jen" wrote:


I do not give out false information.

How does anyone know that?


It's quite easy to know the difference. Facts can be checked via a
search. Also, if I state an opinion, I say *in my opinion* or IMO for
short. That way anyone new would be able to tell the difference.


Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
of time.

I've already killfiled her anyway.

That's wonderful.
However, newbies posting here that do not know any better may take
something that is somebody's opinion as fact, or something that is
incorrect as being true. I don't like leaving false, misleading,
incomplete info out there so some newbie could run into trouble.
When somebody other than she does the same, I will either correct it,
mention it's their opinion, or fill in the blanks like I always have.
Nobody ever has a problem with it, only her.
If you were reading a thread here and found false info, or very
incomplete info, and you knew better....wouldn't you post a reply to
fix it?
I would hope so.
This is how folks learn.
Sometimes it's new info to the hobby that was once thought to be
right, but isn't anymore.
Such as the nitrifying bacteria adhering to all surfaces in the tank.
It was once thought they were floating about in the water column
(which they are not) and that vacuuming the gravel would remove too
many of them during a cycling period (which it does not).
This info was recently learned within like the past 10 yrs.
For us that have been in the hobby for 30-50 + years, that was all new
to us.
The one inch of fish per gallon rule was learned many years ago to be
way too vague and useless for anything other than feeder gups, neons
and other fish of similar size. Too many variables dictate how many
fish can be stocked in X amount of gallons.
This is where correcting old, false info comes into play.


So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
true picture of what's really going on.

With all the people I'm getting in my killfile, I doubt I'll see much of it.

Jen

That's great.

"Tynk" wrote in message
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On Feb 18, 6:41?pm, "Jen" wrote:


I do not give out false information.

How does anyone know that?


It's quite easy to know the difference. Facts can be checked via a
search. Also, if I state an opinion, I say *in my opinion* or IMO for
short. That way anyone new would be able to tell the difference.


If it's that easy, why come here at all?


Over time, you will also come to this conclusion. It's just a matter
of time.

I've already killfiled her anyway.

That's wonderful.
However, newbies posting here that do not know any better may take
something that is somebody's opinion as fact, or something that is
incorrect as being true. I don't like leaving false, misleading,
incomplete info out there so some newbie could run into trouble.
When somebody other than she does the same, I will either correct it,
mention it's their opinion, or fill in the blanks like I always have.
Nobody ever has a problem with it, only her.
If you were reading a thread here and found false info, or very
incomplete info, and you knew better....wouldn't you post a reply to
fix it?

Certainly. But when you attack the other person, you lose credibility.
Just give your own opposing advice, that's all you need to do.

I would hope so.
This is how folks learn.
Sometimes it's new info to the hobby that was once thought to be
right, but isn't anymore.
Such as the nitrifying bacteria adhering to all surfaces in the tank.
It was once thought they were floating about in the water column
(which they are not) and that vacuuming the gravel would remove too
many of them during a cycling period (which it does not).
This info was recently learned within like the past 10 yrs.
For us that have been in the hobby for 30-50 + years, that was all new
to us.
The one inch of fish per gallon rule was learned many years ago to be
way too vague and useless for anything other than feeder gups, neons
and other fish of similar size. Too many variables dictate how many
fish can be stocked in X amount of gallons.
This is where correcting old, false info comes into play.


So, like I said before...it's just a matter of time until you see the
true picture of what's really going on.

With all the people I'm getting in my killfile, I doubt I'll see much of
it.

Jen

That's great.