Ich and tang...

I made a stupid mistake and I added some new live rock
to an old, established tank without quarantine it first...
The effect: my large hepatus tang got ich.

I do not want to cure it in the reef and taking it out
will be a challenge. I was thinking about getting some
cleaner shrimps to eat the parasite from the fish skin.

I plan to buy two skunk cleaners (Lysmata amboinensis)
but in the mean time - how about adding some peppermint
shrimps? I have 3 medium sized Lysmata wurdermanni in
an other tank, I could move them to the tank with tang.
Do you think it is a good idea?

BTW
- I have two large maroon clowns and adult royal gramma
in the same tank with the hepatus tang... They do not show
any symptomps of ich. Can they be host without symptoms?

Pszemol wrote:

- I have two large maroon clowns and adult royal gramma
in the same tank with the hepatus tang... They do not show
any symptomps of ich. Can they be host without symptoms?

Yes. Ich attacks the gills first, appearing on the body of the fish when there's
no more room on the gills. It's quite common for some of the fish to show no
symptoms at first, showing symptoms later as the parasite population grows.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

WOW..this group sure has a lot of dumbasses associated with
it......shortucts, wow, pay the piper now or pay the piper
later........no such thing as a free luch.........as yo get out of it
what you put into it and that goes for not doing things right! duh!
I'm sure you'll get all kinds of usefull info on how to cure that ICH
magnet tang and rid your tank of ICH in the process all without taking
it out and putting it in a QT......This may make a good case study on
another marine group as to how not to do things!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:59:30 -0600, "Pszemol"
wrote:

I made a stupid mistake and I added some new live rock
to an old, established tank without quarantine it first...
The effect: my large hepatus tang got ich.

I do not want to cure it in the reef and taking it out
will be a challenge. I was thinking about getting some
cleaner shrimps to eat the parasite from the fish skin.

I plan to buy two skunk cleaners (Lysmata amboinensis)
but in the mean time - how about adding some peppermint
shrimps? I have 3 medium sized Lysmata wurdermanni in
an other tank, I could move them to the tank with tang.
Do you think it is a good idea?

BTW
- I have two large maroon clowns and adult royal gramma
in the same tank with the hepatus tang... They do not show
any symptomps of ich. Can they be host without symptoms?



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Pszemol wrote:
I made a stupid mistake and I added some new live rock
to an old, established tank without quarantine it first...
The effect: my large hepatus tang got ich.

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite common in tangs -
not in most other fish)


I do not want to cure it in the reef and taking it out
will be a challenge. I was thinking about getting some
cleaner shrimps to eat the parasite from the fish skin.

I plan to buy two skunk cleaners (Lysmata amboinensis)
but in the mean time - how about adding some peppermint
shrimps? I have 3 medium sized Lysmata wurdermanni in
an other tank, I could move them to the tank with tang.
Do you think it is a good idea?

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata wurdermanni
was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up to it like he
expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was expected of him.

Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp - peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no part of
it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


BTW
- I have two large maroon clowns and adult royal gramma
in the same tank with the hepatus tang... They do not show
any symptomps of ich. Can they be host without symptoms?

Roy "Tristin" Hauer wrote nothing of value to
anyone and was
promptly slapped down by a dead starfish:
wrote in message ...

Still trolling the groups... eh Tristan? Still making everyone as miserable
as you are..... what an ass!

WOW..this group sure has a lot of dumbasses associated with
it......shortucts, wow, pay the piper now or pay the piper
later........no such thing as a free luch.........as yo get out of it
what you put into it and that goes for not doing things right! duh!
I'm sure you'll get all kinds of usefull info on how to cure that ICH
magnet tang and rid your tank of ICH in the process all without taking
it out and putting it in a QT......This may make a good case study on
another marine group as to how not to do things!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:59:30 -0600, "Pszemol"
wrote:

I made a stupid mistake and I added some new live rock
to an old, established tank without quarantine it first...
The effect: my large hepatus tang got ich.

I do not want to cure it in the reef and taking it out
will be a challenge. I was thinking about getting some
cleaner shrimps to eat the parasite from the fish skin.

I plan to buy two skunk cleaners (Lysmata amboinensis)
but in the mean time - how about adding some peppermint
shrimps? I have 3 medium sized Lysmata wurdermanni in
an other tank, I could move them to the tank with tang.
Do you think it is a good idea?

BTW
- I have two large maroon clowns and adult royal gramma
in the same tank with the hepatus tang... They do not show
any symptomps of ich. Can they be host without symptoms?



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Add Homonym" wrote in message ...
White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)

White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata wurdermanni
was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up to it like he
expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp - peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no part of
it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.

So peppermints are not as good, right?

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp - peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month or two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this stuff,
and the problem was resolved.

Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this, but
I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not really a
cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your shrimp
friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand layer.

--Kurt

"KurtG" wrote in message .. .
Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this, but
I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not really a
cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your shrimp
friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand layer.

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plenum

My tank is DSB and I am not going to vacuum fine sand out...
Vacuuming would not work.

At least one person out of the bunch so far has sufficient knowledge
on what to do.....

I simply do not understand an engineer not knowing what a plenum
is.....a plenum is a plenum, it matters ot what its on, its still fits
the description of a plenum............duh!

Oh yea carol or is it Ocean Breeze.here is another to go off on and
cross post to the masses.......you lunatic!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:12 -0500, Add Homonym
wrote:

Pszemol wrote:
"Add Homonym" wrote in message
...

White or black ich? (I ask, because black ich is quite
common in tangs - not in most other fish)


White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

MIGHT work. I had one tang that refused to beleive a Lysmata
wurdermanni was not actually a Lysmata amboinensis. Kept going up to
it like he expected a cleaning. Poor shrimp had no idea what was
expected of him.
Not I have the opposite - new tang, new peppermint shrimp - peppermint
shrip actually wants to pick at the tang, and the Tang wants no part
of it - but DOES let my skunk cleaner clean him.


So peppermints are not as good, right?

Depends on the individual. Some peppermints will do just as good a job,
but most won't do any cleaning (YMMV)

OK. So, the ich is small white spots. Sounds like cryptocaryon.

So, hate to tell ya, the CORRECT treatment is this-

take ALL fish out of the tank for 1-2 months. Take the infected fish,
give it a dip in freshwater buffered to PH to match tank water, with
formalin and copper sulfate added. I usually add some methe;yne blue to
help boost oxygen, since it is also an anti paraiste and won't hurt.
After the dip (dip for about 7-10 minutes) put fish in a seperate tank
and continue treatment with copper sulfate until all symptoms are gone.

Alternate if you just plain can't take all the fish out for a month or two:

treat sick fish with dip as above, and add garlic to main tank and cross
yer fingers that fish does not get re-infected.

I have also had good luck with Chem Marin's "Stop Parisite" product.
Dunno if it was merely a placebo effect or not (ie: I had kille dthe ich
without it anyway) but I did option #2 above, and then added this stuff,
and the problem was resolved.



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