Ich and tang...

No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the
parasite likes to attach to calcium carbonate, in
fact it has been shown that a tank with no calcium
carbonate material, will greatly if not completely
prevent the cycle of ich.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint
shrimp. They will clean some, but get some cleaner
shrimp in there. If the tang is healthy, and has no
other stress factors it will heal up just fine with
some cleaner shrimp in there.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/27/2007 3:48 PM:
"KurtG" wrote in message
.. .
Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this,
but I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not
really a cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your
shrimp friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand
layer.

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plenum

My tank is DSB and I am not going to vacuum fine sand out...
Vacuuming would not work.

Another option that has even worked better for me than cleaner shrimp is a
neon goby. They are active little guys cleaning fish.

Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the parasite likes to
attach to calcium carbonate, in fact it has been shown that a tank with no
calcium carbonate material, will greatly if not completely prevent the
cycle of ich.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint shrimp. They will
clean some, but get some cleaner shrimp in there. If the tang is healthy,
and has no other stress factors it will heal up just fine with some
cleaner shrimp in there.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/27/2007 3:48 PM:
"KurtG" wrote in message
.. .
Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.

I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this, but
I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not really a
cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your shrimp
friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand
layer.

I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plenum

My tank is DSB and I am not going to vacuum fine sand out...
Vacuuming would not work.

"Susan" wrote in message news:gCiFh.9222$Xe1.7486@trndny01...
Another option that has even worked better for me than cleaner shrimp
is a neon goby. They are active little guys cleaning fish.

Interesting... I will look at these guys.

Pszemol wrote:
"Susan" wrote in message
news:gCiFh.9222$Xe1.7486@trndny01...

Another option that has even worked better for me than cleaner shrimp
is a neon goby. They are active little guys cleaning fish.


Interesting... I will look at these guys.

Or a cleaner wrasse....

dons an asbestos suit, ducks

Yea neon gobies are neat cleaner fish, but they do
have one major drawback, and that is that they are
so small that they tend to go down the overflow, or
get sucked through prefilters. But yes, they are
very active cleaners, and cute too.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Susan wrote on 2/28/2007 12:04 PM:
Another option that has even worked better for me than cleaner shrimp is a
neon goby. They are active little guys cleaning fish.

Susan
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the parasite likes to
attach to calcium carbonate, in fact it has been shown that a tank with no
calcium carbonate material, will greatly if not completely prevent the
cycle of ich.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint shrimp. They will
clean some, but get some cleaner shrimp in there. If the tang is healthy,
and has no other stress factors it will heal up just fine with some
cleaner shrimp in there.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/27/2007 3:48 PM:
"KurtG" wrote in message
.. .
Pszemol wrote:
White. About 20 white spots randomly spread over his body.
I can almost see torches and pitch forks waving while I write this, but
I'd vacuum the plenum after the white spots drop off. It's not really a
cure, but it may help you break the cycle w/ the help of your shrimp
friends.

I did that with mine, and I haven't seen Ich since. It also pulled an
amazing amount of crud out of my system, and I just have a thin sand
layer.
I know my English is not perfect, but what the hell you call plenum? :-)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plenum

My tank is DSB and I am not going to vacuum fine sand out...
Vacuuming would not work.

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ink.net...
No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the
parasite likes to attach to calcium carbonate, in
fact it has been shown that a tank with no calcium
carbonate material, will greatly if not completely
prevent the cycle of ich.

Did not know this... interesting.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint
shrimp. They will clean some, but get some cleaner
shrimp in there. If the tang is healthy, and has no
other stress factors it will heal up just fine with
some cleaner shrimp in there.

I could not catch peppermint in the other tank.
So right after work I went out to the store, picked up
one Lysmata amboinensis (they all had this "black
spot disease" so it was very hard to pick even one
with little less visible symptoms).

After lights out I introduced new shrimp to the tank
and went to sleep.

Today when I went to work I could not inspect fish,
it was sleeping behind rocks, but now, I am home
and I see fish has almost no white spots. I see
drastic change. From about 20 spots now I can
see empty places where the parasite was sitting
and maybe 2 or 3 where it is still something there.

I am not sure if the shrimp was so active or if the
parasite was ready to drop from the fish on its own.

I fed the tang generous portion of dried algae and
some meat pellets, what else can I do to help him ?

Should I continue feeding him sliced garlic?
Here is interesting article about ich and garlic:
http://www.marineaquariumadvice.com/...and-Garlic.htm

The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of
the cells, but usually does not kill the cleaner
shrimp, and is usually temporary.

Do whatever keeps the tang healthy and stress free.
It may get the ich again, but it should be less if
it gets it again.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/28/2007 1:50 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
No, I wouldn't vacuum the sand. It is true that the parasite likes to
attach to calcium carbonate, in fact it has been shown that a tank
with no calcium carbonate material, will greatly if not completely
prevent the cycle of ich.

Did not know this... interesting.

But what I would do is yes you can ad the peppermint shrimp. They will
clean some, but get some cleaner shrimp in there. If the tang is
healthy, and has no other stress factors it will heal up just fine
with some cleaner shrimp in there.

I could not catch peppermint in the other tank.
So right after work I went out to the store, picked up
one Lysmata amboinensis (they all had this "black
spot disease" so it was very hard to pick even one
with little less visible symptoms).

After lights out I introduced new shrimp to the tank
and went to sleep.

Today when I went to work I could not inspect fish,
it was sleeping behind rocks, but now, I am home
and I see fish has almost no white spots. I see
drastic change. From about 20 spots now I can
see empty places where the parasite was sitting
and maybe 2 or 3 where it is still something there.

I am not sure if the shrimp was so active or if the
parasite was ready to drop from the fish on its own.

I fed the tang generous portion of dried algae and
some meat pellets, what else can I do to help him ?

Should I continue feeding him sliced garlic?
Here is interesting article about ich and garlic:
http://www.marineaquariumadvice.com/...and-Garlic.htm

"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message ink.net...
The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of
the cells, but usually does not kill the cleaner
shrimp, and is usually temporary.

It looks ugly. I had this problem with my other shrimps
which died already. My tank was shrimp-less for long.
It does not go away after molting, so I am not sure
if this is only surface bruising - I have read somewhere
it is some viral disease of shrimps, but I had no choice.
I know this is good cure for ich so I had to get at least
one, even if ugly.

Do whatever keeps the tang healthy and stress free.
It may get the ich again, but it should be less if
it gets it again.

I just caught this sick fish a moment ago, sitting with lights
on in his night-home, next to the rock and shrimp was
walking all over him, sniping something from his skin
like on the all-you-can-eat buffet! This is amazing that
the shrimp "knows" what to do with a sick fish and fish
"knows" that the shrimp is its cure and let the doctor
do his work :-)

Reef tank rocks! :-)))

Yes it can be caused by disease. I've seen many
cleaner shrimp loose their black spots after
molting. And it could take more than one molt to
loose the black spots. And sometimes cleaner shrimp
with black spots die, but usually they don't.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/28/2007 10:45 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of the cells, but
usually does not kill the cleaner shrimp, and is usually temporary.

It looks ugly. I had this problem with my other shrimps
which died already. My tank was shrimp-less for long.
It does not go away after molting, so I am not sure
if this is only surface bruising - I have read somewhere
it is some viral disease of shrimps, but I had no choice.
I know this is good cure for ich so I had to get at least
one, even if ugly.

Thats your ****ing opinoin asshole...your a freaking moron
Wayne..........a big freaking moron.



On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:21:21 GMT, Wayne Sallee
wrote:

Yes it can be caused by disease. I've seen many
cleaner shrimp loose their black spots after
molting. And it could take more than one molt to
loose the black spots. And sometimes cleaner shrimp
with black spots die, but usually they don't.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets


Pszemol wrote on 2/28/2007 10:45 PM:
"Wayne Sallee" wrote in message
ink.net...
The black spots on shrimp, are like a bruising of the cells, but
usually does not kill the cleaner shrimp, and is usually temporary.

It looks ugly. I had this problem with my other shrimps
which died already. My tank was shrimp-less for long.
It does not go away after molting, so I am not sure
if this is only surface bruising - I have read somewhere
it is some viral disease of shrimps, but I had no choice.
I know this is good cure for ich so I had to get at least
one, even if ugly.




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