quarantine advice

Hmmm, thanks for that info. I hate to expose any of my koi. I like them
all. I would go get one at Petco, but I thought the point was to use a fish
that has been living in your own pond. Also, how do you heat up your QT?
Are tank heaters expensive?
wrote in message
...
you need an indicator koi ... GF arent enough for the worst. and the temp
in that
tank has to get up to 80oF or so to let the heat activated virus or
bacteria out and
do its worst. anything short of a month isnt going to do it. Ingrid

"Ann in Houston" wrote:

I have had some really bad quarantine results. I have a tank in place -
350
gals, I think. It has some unwanted gf in it, which I think will serve
well
for 'canary' fish. I know I need to run some of the water out and replace
it before I put in this new baby. I plan to do frequent water changes,
rather than setting up a filter. These gf have lived out the winter in
this
setup without it, and I have not had good results with the filtration of
this tank in the past. The total fish load will be about 18" in the 350
gals. I think two to three weeks should be enough. Any disagreements?
My past bad experiences have led me to skip the quarantine entirely, but
my
last resulting disaster cured that carelessness forever. Mostly, it makes
me think hard about acquiring new fish.




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"Ann in Houston" wrote in message
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Hmmm, thanks for that info. I hate to expose any of my koi. I like them
all. I would go get one at Petco, but I thought the point was to use a
fish that has been living in your own pond. Also, how do you heat up your
QT? Are tank heaters expensive?
==========================
You didn't take a new fish from the pet shop and put it outside in cold
water did you? That can be a real shock since pet stores keep their tank on
the warm side. You can't easily heat and outdoor tank. My quarantine tank
is inside.

I don't expose anything to new fish. And watch for cross-contamination by
hand or fish nets.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

No, I didn't take a new one and put it outside. Ingrid said I needed to
have a koi as a test fish, but I don't want to sacrifice any of my own koi.
I only was saying that the only koi I wouldn't mind testing with would be
one from the lfs, but that I didn't think that would serve the purpose since
it wouldn't be from my own pond.
The new fish I just bought was in a bldg. without any climate control,
just out of the rain, sun and wind. Right now, he's indoors because I don't
want to just put him out in the somewhat neglected tank on the patio with
the goldies. I want to improve the water somewhat. We just got in from SA
this afternoon and I had too much to do and too stormy a day to set up the
tank today. We are on a well, but the tank is full of rainwater, right now.
Our highs are mostly in the mid to upper 70's now. We start most days
around 60 degrees. I don't know how I would keep him inside with enough
water to accommodate him and one other one.
"Reel McKoi" wrote in message
...

"Ann in Houston" wrote in message
...
Hmmm, thanks for that info. I hate to expose any of my koi. I like them
all. I would go get one at Petco, but I thought the point was to use a
fish that has been living in your own pond. Also, how do you heat up
your QT? Are tank heaters expensive?
==========================
You didn't take a new fish from the pet shop and put it outside in cold
water did you? That can be a real shock since pet stores keep their tank
on the warm side. You can't easily heat and outdoor tank. My quarantine
tank is inside.

I don't expose anything to new fish. And watch for cross-contamination by
hand or fish nets.
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

"Ann in Houston" wrote in message
...
No, I didn't take a new one and put it outside. Ingrid said I needed to
have a koi as a test fish, but I don't want to sacrifice any of my own
koi.

I don't use "test fish" and never found that necessary. What if the test
fish has immunity to whatever the new fish has? And what do you do with the
test fish after the quarantine time is over? To each his or her own
way.......

I only was saying that the only koi I wouldn't mind testing with would be
one from the lfs, but that I didn't think that would serve the purpose
since it wouldn't be from my own pond.
The new fish I just bought was in a bldg. without any climate control,
just out of the rain, sun and wind. Right now, he's indoors because I
don't want to just put him out in the somewhat neglected tank on the patio
with the goldies. I want to improve the water somewhat.

Lots and lots of partial water changes. :-) Filtering and aeration would
also help. Get a cheap powerhead and make one of the filters like I have.
Cheap, easy and effective.

We just got in from SA
this afternoon and I had too much to do and too stormy a day to set up the
tank today. We are on a well, but the tank is full of rainwater, right
now.

Watch the hardness as rain water can make the water too soft and even acid
depending on where you live (acid rain). Also it has no buffering capacity.
A PH crash can kill all your fish.

Our highs are mostly in the mid to upper 70's now. We start most days
around 60 degrees. I don't know how I would keep him inside with enough
water to accommodate him and one other one.

Gotcha!
--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

Your just a cheap bitch ain;t ya Carol?
YOur also clueless and dumb.........now dance you moron kook muppet,
dance...I own yu bitch!



On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:06:10 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:


"Ann in Houston" wrote in message
.. .
No, I didn't take a new one and put it outside. Ingrid said I needed to
have a koi as a test fish, but I don't want to sacrifice any of my own
koi.

I don't use "test fish" and never found that necessary. What if the test
fish has immunity to whatever the new fish has? And what do you do with the
test fish after the quarantine time is over? To each his or her own
way.......

I only was saying that the only koi I wouldn't mind testing with would be
one from the lfs, but that I didn't think that would serve the purpose
since it wouldn't be from my own pond.
The new fish I just bought was in a bldg. without any climate control,
just out of the rain, sun and wind. Right now, he's indoors because I
don't want to just put him out in the somewhat neglected tank on the patio
with the goldies. I want to improve the water somewhat.

Lots and lots of partial water changes. :-) Filtering and aeration would
also help. Get a cheap powerhead and make one of the filters like I have.
Cheap, easy and effective.

We just got in from SA
this afternoon and I had too much to do and too stormy a day to set up the
tank today. We are on a well, but the tank is full of rainwater, right
now.

Watch the hardness as rain water can make the water too soft and even acid
depending on where you live (acid rain). Also it has no buffering capacity.
A PH crash can kill all your fish.

Our highs are mostly in the mid to upper 70's now. We start most days
around 60 degrees. I don't know how I would keep him inside with enough
water to accommodate him and one other one.

Gotcha!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Watch the hardness as rain water can make the water too soft and even acid
depending on where you live (acid rain). Also it has no buffering
capacity. A PH crash can kill all your fish.

What do you do after a heavy rain? Large water changes?

"Ann in Houston" wrote in message
...

Watch the hardness as rain water can make the water too soft and even
acid
depending on where you live (acid rain). Also it has no buffering
capacity. A PH crash can kill all your fish.

What do you do after a heavy rain? Large water changes?
============================
Nothing. We seldom get rain heavy enough and long enough to drop the PH (or
hardness) much. The PH is as high as 8.2 here so getting enough rain to
drop it to or below 7 is unlikely. When that days comes I'll start building
an Ark. :-))

You said the tank was "full of rainwater." Fish can't live in pure
rainwater.

--
RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~~ }((((* ~~~ }{{{{(ö

yea yea yea ....CArol is always the exception to the rule. She can
feed cat food and they do great, she never gets heavy rains, never
gets predator problems, never does any trolling on usenet, always a
victim.........just shut the hell up carol gulley and get a life you
moron.Maybe go out and look for a new hubby to replace #6 would be a
good thing to kep you occupied for awhile, then you could change your
last name again and hide and plead innocent victim as always.....
Carol Gulley the usenet attention whore...


On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:56:28 -0500, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:


"Ann in Houston" wrote in message
. ..

Watch the hardness as rain water can make the water too soft and even
acid
depending on where you live (acid rain). Also it has no buffering
capacity. A PH crash can kill all your fish.

What do you do after a heavy rain? Large water changes?
============================
Nothing. We seldom get rain heavy enough and long enough to drop the PH (or
hardness) much. The PH is as high as 8.2 here so getting enough rain to
drop it to or below 7 is unlikely. When that days comes I'll start building
an Ark. :-))

You said the tank was "full of rainwater." Fish can't live in pure
rainwater.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:48:13 -0500, "Ann in Houston"
wrote:


Watch the hardness as rain water can make the water too soft and even acid
depending on where you live (acid rain). Also it has no buffering
capacity. A PH crash can kill all your fish.

What do you do after a heavy rain? Large water changes?

Check your ammonia & KH, if KH is low and ammonia is 0, add baking soda.
~ jan

toss in some dolomitic limestone. get it at the garden store. it is sorta gray with
darker hard flecks in it. whatever you do, do not make one of those plaster of paris
hockey pucks and toss that in. Ingrid

"Ann in Houston" wrote:


Watch the hardness as rain water can make the water too soft and even acid
depending on where you live (acid rain). Also it has no buffering
capacity. A PH crash can kill all your fish.

What do you do after a heavy rain? Large water changes?




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